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Undeletion[edit]

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Hello thanks for educating me about how it supposed to work, but my content (page) was speedily deleted and I had no chance to save the content so I can merged it in the existing book in accordance to the rules. Would you let me recover the content in the deleted page below? For a history of the (very short) discussion see User_talk:C.t.chin#copy_.2F_paste. Emailing the content to me would be great, thank you so much!

7 December 2015

   (Deletion log); 08:46 . . QuiteUnusual (discuss | contribs) deleted page OpenSCAD User Manual/General 2 ‎(copy paste without attribution)
   (Move log); 08:45 . . QuiteUnusual (discuss | contribs) moved page OpenSCAD User Manual/General (by c.t.chin) to OpenSCAD User Manual/General 2 without leaving a redirect ‎(we don't want your username in the book title)

C.t.chin (discusscontribs) 04:26, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

where do you want it merged to? QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 10:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

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Pages that qualify for speedy deletion do not require discussion. This section is for discussing whether something belongs on Wikibooks or not for all other cases. Please give a reason and be prepared to defend it. Consensus is measured based on the strength of arguments not on numbers. Anyone can participate and everyone is encouraged to do so.

Please add a new request for deletion at the bottom of this section with a link to the page or book in the heading and a justification. Also place the {{rfd}} template at the top of the page you want deleted. If you are nominating an entire book, {{rfd}} goes on the top-level page, but not subpages. Nominations should cite relevant policy wherever possible.

High School Trigonometry, High School Engineering, High School Chemistry, High School Earth Science, High School Life Science, High School Biology, High School Calculus, High School Geometry, High School Probability and Statistics[edit]

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The Wrestling Universe[edit]

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Trigonometry/Trigonometric_identities[edit]

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Template:Booksearch[edit]

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All pages contained in category:pywikibot and it's sub-cats.[edit]

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Esper[edit]

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Cookbook:Char Siu[edit]

Not sure if this page qualifies for speedy deletion, so I am requesting it to be deleted here. I've noticed that Cookbook:Char Siu is an exact copy-and-paste of Cookbook:Char Sui (note the switched "u" and "i") and, according to Kgroat's edit summary on Cookbook:Char Siu, was intended to be a move to the correct name for the page. I am requesting it to be deleted to make way for a proper page move from Cookbook:Char Sui to Cookbook:Char Siu. (There is only one revision in Cookbook:Char Siu's page history, not including my addition of the {{rfd}} template.) CabbagePotato (discusscontribs) 06:25, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

@CabbagePotato: I think this easily qualifies as non-controversial housekeeping. I've changed it to a speedy deletion request on the page. @Kgroat: registered users can rename pages using the move tab at the top of the page. Please use this feature rather than copy-and-pasting because it preserves the edit history. Green Giant (discusscontribs) 16:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Journey_to_Kepler_Worlds[edit]

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nominate "Subject/headline"[edit]

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Labdoo Guide/How To Start[edit]

Please delete as content outdated and no update planned, as we moved to a local wiki in our homepage.

Not a valid deletion criterion. Other editors may choose to expand the material. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 16:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Labdoo Guide[edit]

Please delete as content outdated and will not be updated, as we moved to a local wiki

Not a valid deletion criterion. Other editors may choose to expand the material. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 16:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Modern Greek[edit]

Request to delete Modern_Greek/Lesson_7x. Content fully integrated on updated page Modern_Greek/Lesson_2.1x

Done. You appear to have moved all the content by copy / paste. The site license requires the history (i.e., the record of the original authors) to be maintained. If you want to do something similar in future please use the {{Now merged}} template to request a merge. Thanks - QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 09:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks @QuiteUnusual:. Yes, I've copied a few pages to fresh pages. I'm still sorting through the old content. I have just tried a "now merged", hope that it worked. Many thanks. Aphoneyclimber (discusscontribs) 13:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Request to delete Modern Greek/LegacyLesson_5b. There is nothing here that doesn't separately exist in Modern Greek/Lesson 02.2 which is the correct structure.

NOTE: There are on-going rfd's and merge requests for this. There appears to have been no active work on the Modern Greek Wikibook for many years and my attempts at getting previous contributors involved appears to have failed. I have made many changes / improvements and have had no comments, so I expect no discussion regarding these on going changes. Hopefully as the content grows some more contributors will be attracted.

Romanian/List of words[edit]

If we put the large amount of numbers − amounting to 2/3 of the content − aside, it doesn't provide readers with any helpful information about the Romanian language. Some of the translations are even in Polish, not in Romanian. --Robbie SWE (discusscontribs) 11:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

So you are requesting deletion of a single page? @Robbie SWE --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:43, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
@Atcovi: Yes, I am. I just started going through the Romanian pages so more deletions might be necessary in the near future. PS: upon further investigation, we have Romanian/Months and days of the week and Romanian/Numbers from 0 to 999, which contain the same information as the page I proposed for deletion. --Robbie SWE (discusscontribs) 10:17, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep It needs a bit of cleaning up, but is clearly essential for the book as a whole.--Abramsky (discusscontribs) 10:29, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep and clean up.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 02:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

World Civilization for High School students[edit]

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United Kingdom History[edit]

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PostgreSQL/Working with PostgreSQL[edit]

The page is a draft, there is only 1 extention since 2010. The content of the page has very few relationship to PostgreSQL. It's mainly a short description of some SQL commands which are common to all SQL implementations. Kelti (discusscontribs) 09:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg Keep this page concerns the data types and constraints so it won't be common to all DBMS. Moreover, I had planned to take care of this book in a few weeks... JackPotte (discusscontribs) 21:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Please move those parts, which are common to all SQL implementations, to wikibook SQL (eg: string types, primary key, ...) and keep only those parts, which are specific to PostgreSQL (eg: macaddr, differences between PostgreSQL and MySQL, ...). --Kelti (discusscontribs) 06:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
The page main author, Fishpi has left for two years, but personally I'm reluctant to split his page. Nevertheless, if you do it I won't revert anything. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 08:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Cookbook:Space Cake[edit]

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List of Computational Sustainability Courses[edit]

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Annotated Republic of China Laws/Civil Code[edit]

The copy of the Civil Code on en.wikibooks, Annotated Republic of China Laws/Civil Code, is actively harmful to the readers by providing law information that are years out of date. It is not explicit whether the whole thing is from a single snapshot in time, and if so, which revision it is. The ROC government already provides translated Civil code that's up to date at http://law.moj.gov.tw/Index.aspx. It also doesn't try to keep a record of every revision to the Civil Code like at like zh.wikisource.org. Also, I'm not sure why it's at wikisource for Chinese and wikibooks for English, but please don't move the proposed for deletion content to wikisource. As I mentioned, hosting outdated legal information is actively harmful to readers. --Makkachin (discusscontribs) 00:52, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Being out-of-date is not a valid deletion criterion. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 13:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Speedily keep. As http://law.moj.gov.tw does not always archive outdated legal texts, amended Taiwanese laws may be considered evolving works, thus not very good on English Wikisource. As the project starter, I am aware of amended articles. Annotated Republic of China Laws/Central Regulation Standard Act groups unamended articles together for better efficiency to make a page, with Annotated Republic of China Laws/Central Regulation Standard Act/Article 8 listing historical texts. I will soon hide amended articles from the main pages and later move them to subpages. Thanks.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 23:56, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
    • The harm aspect remains. I would suggest there be a warning header at the top, and a link to the up-to-date translation that's freely provided by the government so users can ignore the harmful content that is kept at this site. --Makkachin (discusscontribs) 00:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
      • What exactly is harmful? This tone is too excessive. Taiwanese governmental translations of legal texts have no official status in courts of law, so any bad translations of current texts may also be harmful. Please be more respectful.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 02:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
        • If you didn't like my wording, I can use a more vague terminology and say the existence of this translation is "problematic". If you don't see what's problematic about it, then you didn't understand my explanation and there is no point in reiterating what was already stated. How would you imagine serving completely outdated legal information to the users without any warning serve the reader's benefit? --Makkachin (discusscontribs) 23:00, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: If this was directly sourced from public domain translations made by the government of China (an if!), does not this better fit to Wikisource? Since in that case, Wikibooks contributors will not be able to expand or correct the text, will they? My if stems from Annotated Republic of China Laws/Civil Code, where it says "The translator is presumed to be the Republic of China, as it appears on the R.O.C. government website." --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Less[edit]

User:JackPotte seems to propose either deletion or moving to Guide to Unix. I oppose both and therefore vote keep. The page is admittedly a stub, but that's fine: Wikibooks has loads of utterly useless stubs, and this stub is not utterly useless.

A further claim is that this cannot be expanded to be long enough and therefore is encyclopedic. I submit that whether something is encyclopedic as opposed to instructional is not a matter of length; Encyclopedia Britannica has some very long articles, longer than most Wikibooks "books". The page is to instruct how to use "less" and is therefore instructional in character and within remit of Wikibooks. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 10:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

If the outcome is that this should be deleted, please move the page to User:Dan Polansky/Less. I wish Wikibooks good luck in attracting contributors of useful content that does not fit Wikipedia and adds value for Wikibooks readers. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 10:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

On a slightly different subject, I propose that the use of {{closed}} template in closure of deletion discussion is abandoned. It is useful to be able to skim through closed discussions, which the template prevents by hiding the actual content of the discussions on a per-discussion basis. I propose that discussions are closed by (i) striking out the discussion header, and (ii) stating the outcome of the discussion in boldface. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Tbh, I don't see the difficulty with expanding material one wants to read. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:29, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per Talk:Less. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 11:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
    Talk:Less does not contain any policy-based or consensus-based argument. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:22, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
    I don't agree with you on this point too. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 11:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
    I know. When I asked you to quote the relevant policy, you quoted parts of it and then added your wording since the parts were not enough. Either there is a policy that requires a minimum lenght of the material to be eventually developed as a single page or there is not. You have failed to quote such a policy. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 12:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol comment vote.svg Comment Two meta-level remarks about this section.
  • This section was not created by a proponent of deleting the book, so it's not clear to me that any deletion nomination has actually been made. I don't mean this as a bureaucratic technicality, but as a practical problem with what is being presented here: the only explanation given here as to why the book should be deleted is written by someone who evidently does not believe the book should be deleted, and in my experience it is at best extremely difficult for someone who does not hold a position to give a properly effective presentation of that position. So I don't see much point in the community trying to weigh in on the issue when the issue has not been reliably set before us. In effect, what we have been offered here is not a proposal that something be done, but rather a proposal that something not be done. For an effective community discussion, we need to start with a clear definition of what action is proposed.
  • Reminder: positions expressed here are not "votes"; it's not a question of simply counting up how many contributors take which position.
--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. As a way of explanation, JackPotte was threatening to delete the stub (which I admit it is but will be expanded later) by placing {{query}} to it, which I removed as inappropriate. Let JackPotte present policy-based deletion rationale here. I did my best to represent his arguments here, but I admit I could have goofed; let JackPotte present his deletion rationale as best as he can.
As for whether this is about "votes", I think the vote count outcome should still be clear to anyone reading this later, and the vote count still matters as long as the voters try to engage in argument seeking exercise rather than placing bare votes. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 12:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
We did discuss, once upon a time, whether there would be a better word to use instead of "vote". The word "stance" was discussed — I think I might even have suggested it — but never really took off because, although it's short (one syllable), it's not as core-vocabulary as "vote". --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:58, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I don't want to copy-paste Talk:Less here, but to sum up: these 612 characters are not a book. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 13:13, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Indeed, these 612 characters are a stub. What can be admitted is that, after the page gets expanded, it still will not be of the length typical of a book, but one should not really be confused by the word "book" in "Wikibooks"; the keyword is instructional, not book. Novels are books and yet are excluded. Therefore, I ask now as before that the nominator for deletion provide a policy-based rationale. Stubs that are not deleted are in Category:Stubs, including Communism and American Studies. I submit that Less is already more useful than those stubs. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 13:30, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete or rather, move to be one chapter of a larger book. I think I have to agree with Jack Potte here: I don't think the topic is large enough to require a book on its own. Length is immaterial, though: my thought is that less is but one of a suite of *ix utilities, and would be of much more use if it was grouped with those utilities under a *ix header of some sort. In particular, then there could be a header page that grouped by functionality, giving an overview of what could be done and which tools were available to do it. I have to admit that, having never before seen books for single utilities broken out as separate, if I was looking for a CLI utility like less I would start by searching for a CLI reference. Chazz (talk) 18:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep why the hell are people alienating an editor that started a project/page in the last 30 days is beyond me. There is plenty of other work to do, pending merges etc... and people decide to disrupt an active contributor ?!?
Let him provide the free content then we can have a better view of what it is and what to do with it, even if it takes a few years to get there, there is no mischief being done and we certainly do not delete stubs...
A request was made to an active contributor and he did not agree (no consensus), that should be the end a the discussion, even spending more energy in a debate is harmful to the project as the contributions will certainly decrease and add frustration to all involved. A more protracted discussion would be right if the standing of the editors was similar or the alterations were significant (like if the page was moved out of an already existing aggregation). Just live User:Dan Polansky alone, or join in on his contributions... --Panic (discusscontribs) 20:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep for now. For whatever reason, these two users have gotten irritated at each other, and that would make it hard to engage in a constructive conversation with the author atm. I suspect that in the long run this content will be most appropriately handled as part of something else, but we can afford to wait a while first, so we know better better what we're dealing with, and when-and-if we do want to start such a discussion I'd really like to see if we can do so without antagonizing each other. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 21:19, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
    There isn't any hard feeling on my side, I think that the shortest our policy about our inclusion criteria is, the longest these debates will be, by virtue of what is subjectively a book and what's not. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I think you have overstated your position in this mater and by reading Talk:Less I can only infer that you had a more complex rational behind it (I clearly read a strong distaste for stubs), but at the same time forgot (or decided to ignore) the potential harm you could cause, harm that depended only on User:Dan Polansky reactions. Your position in regards to policy was ultimately not positivity stated there, and would not benefit Wikibooks at that time and place.
For instance Wikibooks:Naming policy only bit that can be enforced is that "Each chapter or page in a book must start with the name of the book followed by a slash" and the rest plus the linked material is only guidelines. I agree with you that the title should be later changed, and kept as a redire4ct if nothing else covers the same topic. But at the same time realize that there is not enough content in it yet, depending on how the project evolves it could be merged into an aggregate of similar but related content.
The proper place to debate issues with our policy is in its talk page (even indicating works that go against it as examples). There are more complex project that fall outside of our policy but still reside in Wikibooks without anyone taking drastic actions. Enabling useful free content should have primacy over all other considerations, we can always decide later what to do with it even without any protracted discussion, all content will ultimately become orphan over time.
The case in point is that a positive active stub with 30 days or even more (depending on the level of activity) shouldn't be a target for long debates or arguments, beyond simple nudges to the editors. It is not only premature but clearly harmful and disruptive. (The same is valid for interactions with new contributors) --Panic (discusscontribs) 23:16, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
30 days seem reasonable (from the creation or the last edition), above which we could add the 7 days of the {{query}} process. I would be ready to launch a vote like Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote to officialize it, once and for all. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 08:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
PS: that should also mention that the minimum time before adding {{BookCat}} is good-sense to avoid any edition conflict. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 09:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm a bit lost in what you are proposing, {{BookCat}} and {{query}} in my view do not need a timeout protection. The first should be deferred to the page creator/project contributors (or left out until they decide what to do or someone helps them selecting the proper place for the work). The query on the other hand should be open to anyone that disagrees with the merit of the created page, as to streamline the speedy deletion of unwanted/abusive creations and permit a response from those involved in it without an necessary RfD (I would agree that at least a 24h grace period could be used but that should be common sense resulting from what content is on the created page, some would even merit a query tag just after the first edit).
In any case I don't see anyone supporting here or on the tagged work talk page supporting your view point so attempting to aff them to the policies (it covers several as I understand it) would be futile at present. Feel free to elaborate more on the proper forums maybe you can gather consensus, you can also use the proposals page on the Wikibooks:Reading room. --Panic (discusscontribs) 11:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)