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Welcome to the General reading room. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about the Wikibooks project in general. For proposals for improving Wikibooks, see the Proposals reading room.

Introducing myself[edit]

Hello to everyone, I am posting this as I saw a message on profile page to introduce myself. I am medical graduate from India ,currently pursuing PG in Radiology and also preparing for some more exams. I like to untangle the anything that i feel is too complicated to my liking and i good at it (at least that is what my colleagues have told me). Ever I started my med school preps , their were just way too many things to cram in my brain (which shrinks a little every day) , so i started to make jingles out the first alphabets. I will most likely be contributing a lot of my mnemonics to this site and messing with others , and if i ever manage to write a book , it will happen here at Wikibooks. —Preceding unsigned comment by Randjo (discusscontribs) added before 19:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome Randjo! Thanks for joining! Make sure to also add the pencil and cursive icon above the editing space after a comment, thanks! --atcovi (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi there I was hoping someone could tell me how to create a new chapter in a discussion page? Thanks. --Scottxit (discusscontribs) 19:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Scottxit. A talk page is made up of sections, subsections, etc. To create a new section on a talk page, there should be a tab up at the top called "add topic" (if you're using vector skin). --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 22:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Pi zero! --Scottxit (discusscontribs) 22:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

Hi , I'm Leaderboard and I currently edit on some computing books , such as and Basic Computing Using Windows —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 17:28, 26 October 2014‎

Hello Leaderboard, welcome to Wikibooks! Make sure to insert the pencil with cursive icon above the editing space after your comments, thanks! --atcovi (talk) 01:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

introducing my self[edit]

hallo I'm working on developing and creating pages on Wikipedia and wikibooks such as German [1] hope to be your friend. Junge schuler062 (discusscontribs) 09:36, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Junge schuler, welcome to Wikibooks and thanks for your recent edits! And I'd be more than happy to be your friend :) --atcovi (talk) 01:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #10—2014[edit]

18:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

It's so sad to see this sort of thing being designed and implemented by folks who are intrinsically unable to have insight into wiki-ness; there's no possibility that anything good can come of an organizational structure where those who create the software are insulated from direct understanding, and those with direct understanding are insulated from the development process (no "feedback" system can come within orders of magnitude of compensating for that organizational structure). It can only progressively poison the wiki movement. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
I just want to say that I actually like VisualEditor. It makes editing Wikibooks far more enjoyable for me. Honestly, I don't quite get the widespread anger over it. If you don't like it, just turn it off! (I know of no plans to make VE mandatory; if you know differently, please let me know.) Elitre, keep up the good work! SupremeUmanu (discusscontribs) 22:52, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor is confusing to me. It makes it complicated to insert templates. --atcovi (talk) 00:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

I am allixpeeke (discusscontribs) 13:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome Allixpeeke, welcome to Wikibooks :) --atcovi (talk) 01:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2015[edit]

18:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata is coming[edit]

Hi everyone :)

I am Wikidata's product manager. I wanted to reach out to you about Wikidata support for Wikibooks. Wikidata stores structured data for Wikimedia projects (and others). For example , things like the date of birth of a famous author or the height of a mountain are stored by Wikidata. We are giving access to this data for all Wikimedia projects step by step. It is now Wikibooks' turn. As a first step you will be able to maintain your interwiki links on Wikidata. This means you will no longer have to store them in the article text of each language. Instead they are stored just once on Wikidata together with all the other projects. (You will still be able to store them in the article text if you really want to but then they overwrite the links coming from Wikidata. Sometimes that is useful.) This first step should happen on February 24th. In the next step you will get access to all the other data on Wikidata. There is no ETA on that yet.

I am looking forward to having you join the Wikidata family! If you have any questions please don't hesitate to reach out to me. There is a special page for you on Wikidata that will hopefully help you and is a good place to ask questions: d:Wikidata:Wikibooks.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 19:41, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

See also: Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals#How Wikidata will handle Wikibooks interwikis. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Raising awarness about Reviewing Pages[edit]

Hey all!

I'm just going to post that some people could try helping us with Special:PendingChanges. "Special:PendingChanges" is a tool which shows list of edits needing reviews/checked. I've already gotten through a lot of pages. Some of these pages date back to 9 months ago. Please make sure you're not blindly accepting changes, since we need people who have the reviewer rights to review these pages, if you find something confusing you, please post it here for the community to answer you.

Thanks. --atcovi (talk) 23:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Special:UnreviewedPages refers to pages that have never been reviewed. Special:PendingChanges is for those previously reviewed but with an edit awaiting approval. It is the latter that needs the focus. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 09:06, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes^ I'm pretty bad at explaining things usually tho. Thanks btw. --atcovi (talk) 12:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
If you find a page that needs to be reviewed , do not hesitate to contact any reviewer or admin.(or simply reply here).--Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 06:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Helping with pending changes, or with unreviewed pages, is similar to the sort of thing suggested by en.wn's rotating sitemessage — except that it would have to be suggested only to reviewers, and afaik atm that can't be determined without javascript. (I've wondered if we could put together a nontrivial list of suggestions for things to do, for a rotating sitenotice here spiritually akin to en.wn's — but, when we had a sitenotice a few months back that suggested contributing to the Featured Book discussions, it apparently didn't generate any activity there and one user objected strenuously because for some reason they couldn't dismiss the sitenotice so it was there all the time on every page view.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I've always found that Wikibooks:Maintenance is a useful location for seeing what needs doing but it's a pity that we can't have targeted site notices which would be seen only by certain users such as a note about outstanding pages to be reviewed for reviewers and the site notice about the Steward elections only visible to those who qualify to vote. Over the past 6 months it seems thsast more people are reviewing pages which have pending edits needing reviewed which is good. The number of those which have never been reviewed is too big to even contemplate doing anything about.--ЗAНИA Flag of the Isle of Mann.svgtalk 16:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


Is there a reason that Wikibooks doesn't offer Epub downloads, when Wikisource and Wikivoyage do? Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 14:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

As the first likely explanation that comes to mind, how about "nobody's made it happen"? One could imagine more technical explanations, but Occam's razor doesn't favor doing so. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 18:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, how do we make it happen? Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 21:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Wikisource is implemented via a Labs hosted tool - it isn't part of the MediaWiki software. The tool only supports Wikisource by default. The easiest route would be to request a Wikibooks version from the tool owner or get someone who can code to clone it (it's open source). It's maintained by Tpt. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 08:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Added Archive page for class projects[edit]

Hi ,

I've cleaned up the main class project and moved them to an archive page. This helps keep it clean(over 44 projects before , dating to 2007). --Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 14:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata support for interwiki links is here[edit]

Hey everyone :)

(Sorry for writing in English. It'd be great if someone could translate where appropriate.)

As previously announced we have enabled interwiki links via Wikidata for Wikibooks last night. This means from now on you no longer have to maintain the links in the wikitext but can maintain them together with the links for Wikipedia, Commons, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikinews and Wikiquote on Wikidata. You will still be able to keep them locally though if you want to. Local interwiki links will overwrite the ones from Wikidata. If you don't want any interwiki links from Wikidata on a particular page you can use the magic word {{noexternallanglinks}}.

You do not yet have access to the other data on Wikidata like the date of birth of an author. That will come in a future deployment. I will let you know when I have a date for it.

If you have any questions d:Wikidata:Wikibooks is a good first step. That is also a good place for any issues or bugs you encounter.

I'm very happy to welcome you all to Wikidata! I hope it will become a great help for Wikibooks.

Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 07:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Did we even allow these guys to remove our interwiki links?[edit]

I know they told us that they'll be doing it, but did we actually tell them ok? Aren't we suppose to be reverting edits that remove our interwiki then? -- (discuss) 20:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

To add on to what I said here^ Pi zero has even notified some of these users who remove our interwiki links about the discussion that is currently going on in the Proposal. Users like Ruzwig just seem to ignore this notification. What are we suppose to do? --atcovi (talk) 20:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I am sysop in russian Wikibooks. Why my last edits is wrong? Oleg3280 (discusscontribs) 20:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Because there has been no agreement by the Wikibooks Community on allowing people to remove interwiki links. --atcovi (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

[Global proposal] (all) Edit pages[edit]

MediaWiki mobile

Hi, this message is to let you know that, on domains like, unregistered users cannot edit. At the Wikimedia Forum, where global configuration changes are normally discussed, a few dozens users propose to restore normal editing permissions on all mobile sites. Please read and comment!

Thanks and sorry for writing in English, Nemo 22:32, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

IRL classmate awaiting my offer to come join Wikibooks![edit]

Hey all! :) Today I’m planning on bringing a new user to Wikibooks, a sixth grade classmate of mines! As of you know, most 11/12 year olds are usually clumsy, and usually don’t mean well. But hopefully she will be more than happy to come. I’m planning on helping her set an account, and letting her read our policies. She doesn’t have that good grammar as normal people here at Wikibooks, so that’s going to be quite a problem. But hopefully that’ll be fixed up soon. All I’m asking is for the admins to use their tools wisely and be patient with her, and the rest of the users.

Back in 2010, when I joined. I was a clueless, very young, editor who was blocked for wrong behavior I didn’t know that was wrong. I was a clueless nooby, but now today I’m currently helping out Wikibooks and Wikiversity and patrolling more than 100 WMF wikis for vandalism. I remember one person, who was in support of me, said that young children were the “future” of WMF. Maybe this user could be as well? I don’t know, but I’m hoping so.

I hope for her to accept this, this could help her academically. I’m still awaiting her acceptance, since I’m going to talk to her about this stuff atm. Thanks all for reading. --atcovi (talk) 00:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem , let her come! Thanks for informing.--Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 10:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


textAauib hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurz177 (discusscontribs)

Welcome Laurz! --atcovi (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself: DKroot[edit]

Hi, everybody. I'm a software developer in Washington DC area. Here is some brief info about me.

I've been working with Oracle and MS SQL Server DBMSes for quite some time, but haven't dealt much with compatibility issues until working on one of my recent projects. I found the SQL Dialects Reference Wikibook quite valuable for this work and started to contribute to Oracle and MS SQL Server content the best I can.

I love using our own MediaWiki server for organizing and sharing knowledge in my teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DKroot (discusscontribs)

Welcome DKroot to Wikibooks, hope you have a great time :) --atcovi (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

Hi there, my name is Anna and I am a student and the University of Stirling. I am currently working on a Wikibook with other students for our Digital Media and Culture module. The book is Perspectives in Digital Culture and the chapter that out group is working on is The Prosumer Society Anna hoodie (discusscontribs) 21:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikibooks! --atcovi (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Anna! I am also in Digital Media and Culture this semester! I am working on the chapter Perspectives in Digital Culture/Web as Public and Private Space. I hope your chapter and your research is going well! Ours is starting to look like information overload, but I love it:P --Bailie Richards (discusscontribs) 22:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content[edit]

This March, we’re organizing an Inspire Campaign to encourage and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate. If you have an idea that could help address this problem, please get involved today! The campaign runs until March 31.

All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Funding is available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help this project better represent the world’s knowledge! MediaWiki message delivery (discusscontribs) 19:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

SUL finalization update[edit]

Hi all, please read this page for important information and an update involving SUL finalization, scheduled to take place in one month. Thanks. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Why are we allowing automatic reviewer rights?[edit]

What's the whole purpose of automatically achieving the reviewer flag? Which holds reviewing/rollback rights in them? --atcovi (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)