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As the announcement above said Wikidata properties can be used in Wikibooks. How should I use parser function (#property) in Wikibooks pages? Doostdar (discusscontribs) 08:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

It's now technically possible to use Wikidata properties in Wikibooks (so we're told). It doesn't follow that one should. I don't see off hand any situation where it would be a good idea to set up content on a sister project so that it'd instantly reflect changes to content on another sister (with the obvious exception of meta-data about the other sister). It would be very useful to have a facility where a contributor could run a comparison of content on two different projects, and if a discrepancy is found, offer the contributor a range of choices for what to do about it (the obvious choices would be, change it here, change it there, or somehow make a note here explaining why they should be different from each other). --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 13:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree with you that Wikidata content is not yet authentic enough to rely on but for using its content we need to have the least knowledge of Lua programming. As an example of getting help from Wikidata content, I want to use some information from this item in this Wikibooks page.
In this Wikibooks page you see mass values are mentioned for the three subatomic particles (Table 1-1). The value written for proton is 1.00728 amu. On the other hand, proton item has a mass property (P2067) with a more precise value which equals to 1.0072764668±0.0000000001 amu. How can I replace the current value used in this page with a more precise value from Wikidata? --Doostdar (discusscontribs) 11:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Just to be clear, my position isn't merely that Wikidata is not yet ready to rely on, but that it's inherently a bad idea ever to set things up to make other projects automatically dependent on a central locus; the centralization maximizes damage-potential from the central location while diminishing both human control and human scope of the dependent locations (I'm an advocate of semi-automation and opponent of automation; cf. n:User:Pi zero/essays/vision/sisters).

As for technically how to do it, looks like the page you want is Meta:Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion syntax v0.4. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 19:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

To illustrate Pi zero's point: do we really want to display the proton mass with ten significant digits and the error specification in that page? (My question is, arguably, nitpicking in this specific case, but it is easy to see how centralised off-project control of data can be problematic.) --Duplode (discusscontribs) 19:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I concur. For example, say the book is an A-level text on physics. Automatically changing, say, the mass of a proton when science adjusts it minutely is actually wrong - until the A-level syllabus is updated, the book should reflect the old value. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 21:20, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Based on the consensus held two years ago Wikibooks like its other sister projects ought to have items with interwiki links in Wikidata to make Wikidata more comprehensive. The fact is that you cant't see lots of interwiki links even between two versions of Wikibooks (eg. Persian Wikibooks and English Wikibooks) and the statistics shows this situation explicitly. I personally don't insist on accessing data from Wikidata but that's an option ahead. --Doostdar (discusscontribs) 17:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
A couple of peripheral remarks:
  • En.wb has discussed whether to remove local interwiki markup as such things get covered by Wikidata, and has not reached a consensus to do so (I myself strongly favor keeping local interwiki markup; I think all projects should keep local interwiki markup, and, in the long run, deploy some means for checking local interwiki markup against Wikidata and thereby getting the strengths of centralized and distributes systems rather than the weaknesses of both.)
  • By my reading of the meta page I linked to, currently it's not possible for a sister page to access properties of any wikidata item other than the one it's linked from for interwikis. (I think that's what they're saying.)
--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Reimagining WMF grants report[edit]

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Last month, we asked for community feedback on a proposal to change the structure of WMF grant programs. Thanks to the 200+ people who participated! A report on what we learned and changed based on this consultation is now available.

Come read about the findings and next steps as WMF’s Community Resources team begins to implement changes based on your feedback. Your questions and comments are welcome on the outcomes discussion page.

Take care, I JethroBT (WMF) 17:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikibooks recipes and Wikipedia dishes[edit]

Should Category:Lentil recipes here on Wikibooks be connected to w:Category:Lentil dishes on Wikipedia through Wikidata? They're currently separated (d:Q21067454 and d:Q8587302). What are the policies? --Superchilum (discusscontribs) 12:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #5—2015[edit]

Elitre (WMF), 18:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey[edit]

Hi everyone!

The Community Tech team at the Wikimedia Foundation is focused on building improved curation and moderation tools for experienced Wikimedia contributors. We're now starting a Community Wishlist Survey to find the most useful projects that we can work on.

For phase 1 of the survey, we're inviting all active contributors to submit brief proposals, explaining the project that you'd like us to work on, and why it's important. Phase 1 will last for 2 weeks. In phase 2, we'll ask you to vote on the proposals. Afterwards, we'll analyze the top 10 proposals and create a prioritized wishlist.

While most of this process will be conducted in English, we're inviting people from any Wikimedia wiki to submit proposals. We'll also invite volunteer translators to help translate proposals into English.

Your proposal should include: the problem that you want to solve, who would benefit, and a proposed solution, if you have one. You can submit your proposal on the Community Wishlist Survey page, using the entry field and the big blue button. We will be accepting proposals for 2 weeks, ending on November 23.

We're looking forward to hearing your ideas!

MediaWiki message delivery (discusscontribs) 21:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed[edit]

Hello! Wikimania 2016 scholarships will soon be open; by the end of the week we'll form the committee and we need your help, see Scholarship committee for details.

If you want to carefully review nearly a thousand applications in January, you might be a perfect committee member. Otherwise, you can volunteer as "ambassador": you will observe all the committee activities, ensure that people from your language or project manage to apply for a scholarship, translate scholarship applications written in your language to English and so on. Ambassadors are allowed to ask for a scholarship, unlike committee members.

Wikimania 2016 scholarships subteam 10:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign[edit]

This is a message regarding the proposed 2015 Free Bassel banner. Translations are available.

Hi everyone,

This is to inform all Wikimedia contributors that a straw poll seeking your involvement has just been started on Meta-Wiki.

As some of your might be aware, a small group of Wikimedia volunteers have proposed a banner campaign informing Wikipedia readers about the urgent situation of our fellow Wikipedian, open source software developer and Creative Commons activist, Bassel Khartabil. An exemplary banner and an explanatory page have now been prepared, and translated into about half a dozen languages by volunteer translators.

We are seeking your involvement to decide if the global Wikimedia community approves starting a banner campaign asking Wikipedia readers to call on the Syrian government to release Bassel from prison. We understand that a campaign like this would be unprecedented in Wikipedia's history, which is why we're seeking the widest possible consensus among the community.

Given Bassel's urgent situation and the resulting tight schedule, we ask everyone to get involved with the poll and the discussion to the widest possible extent, and to promote it among your communities as soon as possible.

(Apologies for writing in English; please kindly translate this message into your own language.)

Thank you for your participation!

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