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False positives[edit]

I am not sure that denying external links because of a mere technicality (that users' accounts are too new) is reasonable in my view if the reason is adequate enough (like this. Yes, we are not a link factory, but these are cases which would be otherwise acceptable.

P.S: That was the idea behind Wikibooks:Edit_filter/URL_requests, and while many requests there are denied, there are a significant number of requests which are reasonable as well. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 22:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, a couple of thoughts.
  • The filter log presumably understates the effect of the current restriction, because the log can't show that a spammer didn't try, knowing it wouldn't work.
  • Those slowed down by the restriction may be encouraged to a lasting attitude of conservativism in external linking.
--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 01:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikiness[edit]

I've written an essay, in my userspace, about what direction I believe wikis should be heading for. Though short, it develops several themes I've had in mind for a while. I'd be interested in other Wikibookians' thoughts on it (at all levels — articulation, ideas, issues).

--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 16:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #1—July 2019[edit]

18:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Request from WMF T&S to review the book Suicide[edit]

I have moved this discussed from Requests for Deletion, where I originally posted it, as it isn't strictly a deletion request. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 09:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@CSteigenberger (WMF), Pi zero, Leaderboard:

Background[edit]

In early August the WMF Trust & Safety team contacted (some / all?) admins on Wikibooks requesting a review of the content of Suicide. They noted two concerns: much of it had been created by a globally banned user in violation of the Terms of Use; some of it may be illegal in certain jurisdictions. They specifically requested the deletion of Suicide/Amitriptyline cocktail as crossing the legality line. The Terms of Use allow the Foundation to delete this content without community involvement. However, they requested instead that the community takes action, which for this one page I was happy to action pending a wider conversation (i.e., I have removed the potentially illegal content on precautionary grounds without prejudice to it being restored later). For the rest of the book we face a dilemma (as we do for all content here) - how do we ensure the content is accurate and, above all, legal when we lack the knowledge and skills to do this? If a subject is "on the border" so-to-speak, should we take the risk and allow it, or remove it? QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 09:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Comment
  • The community has considered this book for deletion at least twice, and has consistently chosen not to delete it.
  • Looking at recent events, Trust and Safety —as a collective entity (I've nothing to say atm of any individual person)— I do not trust, and makes me feel very unsafe.
  • Ultimately if the Foundation says we have to do something, all our principles and policies (regardless of whether supposedly shared by the Foundation) count for nothing.
--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment . This book is one that has been controversial on Wikibooks (see Talk:Suicide), and I remember conversing with users who were concerned about such books. That being said, I would still keep the book. This is a scientific discussion about suicide, and there is a clear disclaimer on the front page about the scope of the book. Nothing in the book explicitly promotes suicide e(and it isn't telling 'lies' either). To remove this book would be a sign of censorship on the part of WMF, and I would want WMF T&S to provide a clear rationale on why they think the book does not deserve to be here. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 13:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
They have provided a clear rationale for the single page I have deleted. However as I'm on a phone editing this week I can't be bothered to try and type it all in. I will do so on Monday. For the wider issue, which I will also expand on, they have the right to delete it but have instead deferred to the community. I will expand on this next week too but for now I'd say they are being very reasonable and consultative. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 19:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)