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Copyright rules about adding a book that will later be commercialized[edit]

Hello

Thank you for your work. My names is Tomas, a math instructor, and I just want to make sure I understand the copyright rules for wikibooks. My partners and I are writing an ODEs (ordinary diffential equations) math textbook aimed for commercial use.

However, I feel bad that there is no ODEs wikibook, so I started adding content to: Ordinary Differential Equations

Do you think it is possible to keep adding content and later on publish our textbook? The plan is to add a lot of the foundational material in the wikibook and the more exotic stuff in the textbook.

According to Wikibooks:Requesting copyright permission

"The main legal issue that is important to explain to potential contributors: they would be agreeing that their material can be used freely by Wikibooks AND its downstream users, and that such use might include commercial use, for which the contributor is not entitled to royalties or compensation. "

we are allowed to use wikibook content for commercial use as long as we make a reference of the Wikibook authors.


Is that correct or did we miss something? Thank you and have a great day, Tomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkojar (talkcontribs) 01:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know, if I should post this elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:00, 26 September 2018 (talkcontribs) Tkojar (UTC)
@Tkojar: This is a perfectly good place to ask... --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 05:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
You are correct. There are many books that have been published this way. For example, this one QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 10:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Can you give me examples of textbooks that started as wikibooks and got published by major companies such as Pearson or Springer? So I am guessing there are no or few wikibooks that got published by such companies, but maybe they accepted rewrites and enhanced versions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkojar (talkcontribs)
I don't have any such examples, although they may exist. I think it is likely a question of degree - I see many books that incorporate material from Commons or Wikipedia (e.g., a diagram or paragraph of text) with a citation using "by Wikipedia authors" (which is not sufficient). You have to question whether a major company would publish a book where all the content was already freely available under a copyleft license. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 14:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Improving the Puzzle Wikibooks Styles[edit]

Hi all ,

I am newcomer and I have a proposal to be made

I love Puzzles (and hence my username and I see that the Wikibooks for Puzzles is somehow lacking of contents.) I have read the guide for a while and create this account .

I have see the puzzle and think of why not the answer are put on same pages: Puzzles/Non-scientific puzzles/Boy and Girl

After searching quite a while, I found out that there are a template for hiding text: Template:Hidden

As you can see my sandbox, this is my suggestion for improvements. User:Miss Puzzle/sandbox

Hopefully, my improvement are accepted and I can contribute for many years to comeMiss Puzzle (discusscontribs) 06:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Aside: Wiki notation for a "wikilink", a link to a page on the wiki, is double square-brackets around the name of the page within the wiki. I've edited your above text (pardon) to demonstrate. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
@Miss Puzzle: The issue you are raising (so it seems to me) is one of interactive wiki pages. Fwiw, I can offer some general thoughts about interactive wiki pages. Wiki markup is, originally, about creating hypertext documents: a collection of pages, each containing formatted text, and some words are clickable links to other pages within the collection. That's all. It's basically static. But puzzles are one of a number of purposes for which one may wish for something a bit more dynamic. There are three ways that puzzles have been traditionally handled on wikis, and a fourth way they might be handled, based on something I've been working on.
  • It's more-or-less possible to handle puzzles using just ordinary wiki hypertext. You have a question, and either a link to the solution, or links to possible answers. Here's a favorite page of mine (worth a smile, anyway) that uses this technique, though it's not on a wiki: [1].
  • One might set up a page with the answer to a problem in hidden text. This has the drawback that when a page loads slowly, hidden text may be temporarily visible while the page is loading, which annoyingly shows the answer before the user has had a chance to try to solve the problem on their own.
  • There is a "quiz" wiki extension, which we have installed on wikibooks. I'm not personally enamoured of the quiz extension, as it seems complicated and brittle to me, but it does exist. See Help:Quizzes.
It has seemed to me that what wikis need, in general but it does apply to the particular case of quizzes/puzzles, is a truly general sort of page interactivity that can be specified as part of wiki markup. I've created such a thing; it takes the form of a small set of templates for adding input fields of various kinds to a page, and buttons that can be clicked to send the input somewhere. The next step is to learn how to wield this tool effectively. See Help:Dialog.

It should be possible, using dialog, to create quizzes/puzzles that aren't just multiple-choice, but can take more general kinds of input. I've come to believe that interacting with another human being is what people would really like to be able to do on a wiki, and I've wondered if dialog could be used to facilitate that; a core challenge needing addressed for that is, how to ensure there's someone else to interact with. But even without another person, a much wider range of possibilities opens up with dialog-driven quizzes. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:46, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Pi Zero, I think I may cleanup the Puzzles pages a bit but I think I may implement the hidden text for now (shown in my sandbox) as I think that, we don't need to have too many pages of question and answers, which I think may lead to difficulties of cleaning up the pages later on. Also, I may add some rebuses (hieroglyphic puzzles) of my own in the near future. Thanks for your kind input. Miss Puzzle (discusscontribs) 16:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Cateogry, project or?[edit]

I have started a book VCE Physics. VCE stands for Victorian Certificate of Education which encompasses curricula for a variety of subjects, including physics. There seem to be some other VCE books already started (e.g. VCE Chemistry and VCE Specialist Mathematics). So I thought it would be suitable to create a "Category" called VCE to encompass them. But then I read the advice about Categories and thought the VCE Category would be better as a "project". But going to projects, this seems to be all about Class Projects in seeming contradication to the advice on the categories page which indicates a project would be good to encompass books on related curricula. I'm confused! Please provide advice!

In a related question about categories etc. I've also added a subject category tag of "physics" to the bottom of the VCE Physics main page. But it is not showing up. It is just showing the Subject : Book : VCE Book (I created a "book"). I am not even sure what the purpose of the "Book" is. Surely the main page I created was the "book"... why was I directed by the Categories advice to create a book category?... what is it used for?... how does it relate to the book and/or subjects and/or projects!

I want to do the right thing. I'm academically astute (teach at a university), IT savvy (program in multiple languages etc.) so I am inclined to think the system, at least in relation to the current existing explanations, is objectively unclear... but maybe it will all become clear when someone provides just a little explanation?

Please provide further explainattion of the logic of category, book, project etc. (and, preferably, include advice relating to my situation) it is unclear, to me, from the existing documentation.

--Theo Hughes (discusscontribs) 05:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, so I found the help info I should really have been reading (Wikibooks/Shelves, Categories, and Classifications), and looked at what other books did, and now things are starting to make sense . However, I'm now not sure about the relevance of the Categories help page which initially led me astray... does it need updating?... or how is it now relevant?... is it an old thing that was replaced by books and shelves etc?
--Theo Hughes (discusscontribs) 21:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Theo Hughes: Well, we're really still in the midst of converting from the older subject pages to the new shelves. Which is itself the most recent step in a multi-stage infrastructure upgrade I've been working on for some time now. There's some history at Wikibooks Stacks/History. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 05:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks, its starting to make sense now. And the fact that I have come to wikibooks in the middle of a transition explains the slightly confusing documentation. I will attempt to organise things as per the new shelves etc. At the moment I'm now just playing around with the best format for TOC for the book I started. I started playing with templates... then realised what I was trying wasn't quite correct. I'm playing around with having a complete book TOC in a collapsible column etc Navbox that will automagically (template parameters based on page names sort of thing) have the current "topic" uncollapsed. Not sure if this is still what I want, but I'd like to get the navigation somewhat sorted before going to far with content, and then making it difficult for myself to rearrange - though I intend not to spend too much time fiddling with this as I do want to get onto content... ooops forgot the sig, here it is --Theo Hughes (discusscontribs) 05:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Renaming "Medical Suction Machines"[edit]

I'm thinking to generalize the coverage of Medical Suction Machines to Medical Machines. How can the renaming be accomplished? Suppose I create a new book named Medical Machines. Then can Medical Suction Machines be moved into it as Medical Machines/Suction Machines? Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 18:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: Yes, an admin can do that for you. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 22:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
What if I create the new book, add the content from Med. Suction Machines and then request deletion of that? The expanded book wouldn't have the creation date and history of the older book but that would be a minor loss. Does any policy apply here? Is one method preferable? Otherwise I'll just begin the new book. Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 05:13, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I'd rather save the history. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 13:11, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
> Yes, an admin can do that for you.
What is the procedure? Just state the request here. Please move Medical Suction Machines to Medical Machines. Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 22:38, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
@PeterEasthope: Um. I'm hesitating, here. It seems as if that much material about just one kind of machine wouldn't belong in the book-main-page of a book about all kinds of medical machines; cf. {{split}}. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 22:57, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
OK, now there is a book, Medical Machines containing a heading/link "Suction Machines and Aspirators" which I visualize being connected to the existing book. Under that heading are subheadings for the existing sections in the existing book. There are also headings for a few other classes of machine I want to include. It's similar to the structure of This Quantum World. How is that? Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 02:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I moved the pre-existing page. There's plenty of neatifying to do, of course, but it's a start. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 05:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. A little elementary tidying done. Plenty of work ahead, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 20:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Experienced Wikipedia editor wanting to get started on Wikibooks[edit]

I am an experienced editor on the English Wikipedia (12 years, 45,000 edits) who is thinking about getting involved in Wikibooks. Obviously I need to learn any differences in how things are done here.

I am working on a book on the topic of running diagnostics on various scientific and graphing calculators. Everything I write I release to the world under a CC0 license.

Would Wikibooks be an appropriate place to put my work? Are there any tutorials, help pages or examples I should know about? Do I need to put it in a specific place? --Guy Macon (discusscontribs) 05:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Welcome! :-)  You might read Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks? for a start, then the book Using Wikibooks. (It occurs to me that Using Wikibooks may not be up-to-date with our recent replacement of Subject pages by the Wikibooks Stacks, but that's just one detail.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 11:16, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! My only remaining question is whether a book on running diagnostics on various scientific and graphing calculators belongs in Shelf:Computer hardware, somewhere in Department:Mathematics, or some other place. Is there a place where there are discussions on where a book belongs? --Guy Macon (discusscontribs) 17:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: Computer hardware sounds like a good place. The goal is for people to be able to find the book, after all. Looking through the hierarchy under Department:Mathematics, I didn't off-hand see a place where it would likely be looked for. (If you do think of a second place that would be useful to list it, listing on two shelves is generally considered reasonable.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 21:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Page information in mobile view[edit]

Hi, is there any direct way to reach page information when viewing a page in mobile view? Of course desktop view can activated; then the "Page information" link in the left margin is available. There should be a more direct path. Thanks, PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 16:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: You could activate "Page information" in desktop view and then switch back to mobile. I don't think there is a more direct way, however. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 08:40, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Leaderboard, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 18:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Creating a book as a compilation of truncated Wikipedia pages[edit]

Hi, I am hoping to create some re-compile (and cut down) the content from existing Wikipedia pages to create an open educational resource (OER) for a course I teach. I've created two example pages: User:Cameronpiercy/Social_Loafing and User:Cameronpiercy/Nonverbal. I am a novice Wikipedia editor and have never used Wikibooks. The first question I have is (1) is it okay to create a Wikibook in this manner? The second question is (2) all of the links broke when I copied the page, is there an easy way to restore existing links to Wikipedia pages? As I read here Using_Wikibooks/Wikipedian_Primer I'm thinking Wikibooks may not be the best venue for this type of "mashup." Any advice? Cameronpiercy (discusscontribs) 19:52, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

This is not Wikipedia, and one of the differences is that we do not have lots of wikilinks that link to other books or to Wikipedia. You are strongly advised not to "repair" the links to Wikipedia but instead remove them. If you are copying material from Wikipedia you must observe the license requirements. That means you must link (in the edit summary) back to the permanent URL from where you copied it or, preferably, request the material is imported to Wikibooks at WB:RFI which enables the edit history to be maintained. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 15:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

How to import an existing book?[edit]

I want to import this book: https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/criminalinvestigation/ ...in order to rewrite it to conform to US law. The existing book can be downloaded in a number of formats: EPUB Digital PDF Print PDF MOBI XHTML Pressbooks XML WordPress XML OpenDocument

What is the best/easiest way to import the book? I tried to paste in the XHTML, but this gave me an error message for entering too many links at once.Verklempt (discusscontribs) 21:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

I see that book is licensed under Creative Commons 4.0. I've heard some perplexing things about importing CC 4.0 material to projects that (like this one) are under CC 3.0. Anyone know more? QuiteUnusual? --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 22:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we can accept 4.0 into 3.0, the licenses are incompatible with each other, according to WMF legal too. I think the only way is to ask for dual licensing which means releasing text under CC 3.0 and 4.0 concurrently.--Cohaf (discusscontribs) 04:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
That checks with what I'd heard (alas): that individual projects within the sisterhood have considered going to 4.0, which they could because 4.0 subsumes 3.0, but then their 4.0 materials couldn't be imported to projects that were still using 3.0. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 10:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

text color[edit]

Hi. How cena add change text color in wikibooks. I can do it in table but not in the normal text. TIA --Adam majewski (discusscontribs) 14:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Adam majewski: {{Color}}. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thx. --Adam majewski (discusscontribs) 18:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
@Adam majewski: Nice. I highly recommend against using "green means good, red means bad" since it is impossible to distinguish for someone with red–green colorblindness. At the very least, please also use another marker (e.g. italics or a different font) to make the distinction clear. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Renaming "GCSE Computer Science"[edit]

I have updated the content of GCSE Computer Science to the newer syllabuses and so would like rename the book as GCSE Computer Science(9-1) to indicate the current nature of the book. The assistance of an admin would be much appreciated. Johnkn63 (discusscontribs) 08:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Johnkn63: Would that be GCSE Computer Science(9-1) or GCSE Computer Science (9-1)? The difference being a space before the left-parenthesis. I would have thought the latter, with the space. Wouldn't want to rename the whole book and then discover the name wasn't quite right and have to do it all again! --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Good point, with a space GCSE Computer Science (9-1) would be best. Thank you!Johnkn63 (discusscontribs) 04:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
"9 - 1" is just a grading scale. I would keep the name as it is and make a note on the front page that it refers to the current version of the book. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 14:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Leaderboard: This was my initial thought. However have subsequently become aware the differences are more than just the grading scale, and more importantly that for many of the target audience, students of the exam, such a difference in title is significant. Johnkn63 (discusscontribs) 04:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@Johnkn63: Yes, but what would be the issue with noting the change in the title page? After all, if this is V2, and five years later, another change is effected, then you'll have to change the names all over again... (or alternatively keep the link the same but change the display name?) Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 03:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Moving the pages in Wikijunior:How Things are Made[edit]

Hi ,I accidentally create some pages without great foresight as I want to group the item lists according to their category

Need to move the following pages from:

     Wikijunior:How Things Are Made/Ceramic/Ceramic Tiles
     Wikijunior:How Things Are Made/Ceramic/Ceramic Wares
     Wikijunior:How Things Are Made/Wood/Newspaper
     Wikijunior:How Things Are Made/Wood/Paper

- By Wikijunior contributor, Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 06:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

If anyone does this, I'd urge you to consider "... Are ..." for the title. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Ahh.. You meant changing from How Things are Made to How Things Are Made ? AM I correct Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 07:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Correct. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Pi zero: ,just in case you missed this - Pinged by: Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 07:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
@Encik Tekateki: I'll try to do it in the next few minutes; which means things may be moving around. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
@Encik Tekateki: I've moved the book, and I've moved those four subpages within it. You'll need to fix/rearrange some links between pages. I noticed {{BookCat}} was missing from a bunch of the pages, probably because it had been omitted from the page-template; so I added it to all the existing pages and to the template. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:55, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Nice Pi zero, thanks a lot for your help !
P.S: Also delete this Wikijunior:How Things Are Made/Paper things, you miss this during the transfer. Thanks once again. @Pi zero:
Always grateful --Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 15:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Did a history merge on that one. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 15:54, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Rollback[edit]

Hi, does anyone know why I can't use rollback sometimes? (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 12:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

We can't rollback the page creator to nothing. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 12:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Not about the IP, just sometimes I run into the problem when trying to revert random vandalism in a structured page. (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 12:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
User:大诺史, I had the same problem. I think its because our accounts are rate limited on rollback, as we don't have the "noratelimit" right.
See mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits, default is 10 rollbacks over a 60 second period for confirmed users. So any faster than a rollback every six seconds can be rejected. I suspect that en.wb has the default value.
See also Special:ListGroupRights for which groups have the"noratelimit" right, not included in the reviewer group. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Can someone change the limit as it will be easier to use mass rollback instead of rejecting/undoing their changes individually. (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 13:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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I don't know too much about it, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. But to alter the ratelimit you would have to edit the LocalSettings.php file for en.wb, see mw:Manual:LocalSettings.php for an explanation. I don't think this can be done on the web interface, so would have to be done by a WMF sys admin. Quite how you would go about requesting this is not something I know.

I think it makes sense for reviewers to have a ratelimit applied for rollback, otherwise there could be abuse and a very large cleanup in the hands on a rogue editor with a scripted bot. But I would like the reviewer rollback ratelimit set to something lower (e.g. 1 rollback per 1 second), as otherwise it can be a pain for reviewers to do mass rollback when needed.

@QuiteUnusual:, @Pi zero:, @Leaderboard:, @JackPotte: in case they have an additional input on this matter. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I believe it is, yes, the sort of thing for which we'd get a community consensus to change the site configuration. It's quite rare for us to tamper with that.

(This difficulty with rollback was invisible to me, apparently because as an admin, looking at the above, I'm exempt.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 17:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Nothing much to add to the comments above. Yes it has to be modified by a developer and to do so would require a community discussion and approval followed by a phabricator request. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 20:36, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Wasn't aware of this issue. If the limit is indeed the issue I'd be happy for it to be raised, but I somehow doubt that's actually the problem - I would have thought that it's high enough. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 01:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
@Mrjulesd, Pi zero, QuiteUnusual, Leaderboard, JackPotte:. I've created a proposal at WB:PROPOSALS#Raising rollback limit, do check it out. (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 06:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Boston, etc[edit]

I want to create books on Boston, like info whatnot. Also other books. How? GazaOaku (discusscontribs) 13:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi GazaOaku, Welcome to Wikibooks. I suggest you read it here first ( See Wikibooks FAQ ) before you start to create a book . Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 15:02, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @GazaOaku:. Books about a place would probably be better suited to out sister project Wikivoyage. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 01:09, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Guidelines for adding a new subject[edit]

I have been adding information to Wikipedia about "Enthronement of the Sacred Heart" under the subject "Sacred Heart". I was told some of the material I have would be more appropriate under Wikibooks because it is more about how to actually do an Enthronement as opposed to information about an "Enthronement of the Sacred Heart." After talking about how to, I also have manuals that I would like to include. I have 26 edits under Wikipedia, so I was thinking I can create a new section. What would that section go under? We have copyrights to the manuals.Shenaw2016 (discusscontribs) 21:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Who are "we" and what are the copyrights you are discussing? It is not sufficient that you are the copyright owner. You must release the work under the Wikibooks CC-BY-SA license and you will need to prove you are the copyright holder. I'd also say this really doesn't look like an educational textbook and I'm not convinced it is in scope of Wikibooks. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 15:37, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I added a page "How to Enthrone the Sacred Heart". The article still needs to be reviewed. Let me know what you think.Shenaw2016 (discusscontribs) 12:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

If I am editing a problem in a book, do I also need to make the same edit to the solution page?[edit]

Hi Wikipedians,

I am working on editing our text for Linear Algebra as I work through the book for my own studies. Most of the minor edits I'm making are to the wording of problems.

If I edit a problem, do I also need to edit the solution page?

I ask because I know that edits go up for review, so perhaps those edits are handled by a bot, I do not know and I did not see a question on this page. Thank you!

Fantasticawesome (discusscontribs) 20:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Fantasticawesome. Yes you would need to edit the solutions too; bots do not update the solutions. Edits may be reviewed and reverted, but this should only happen if the edits make the page worse. Hope this helps. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 23:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Op Amp actual terms are used wrongly, need to correct the terms used.[edit]

Hi admins, kindly move this book from Practical Electronics/Operating amplifiers to Practical Electronics/Operational amplifiers as Op-amps is really referring to Operational Amplifiers : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier

Encik Tekateki (discuss • contribs) 14:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Encik, did you know that this can be done at Special:MovePage/Practical Electronics/Operating amplifiers? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Ah Mrjulesd , this is first time I seen this special pages, I move it right away! Thanks for your kind guidance Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 15:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Sure thing. Btw take a look at WB:MOVE for more guidance. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:10, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello [Basic Introduction][edit]

Greeting Wikibookians,
I am new, and have so far survived the DELETE speedy-creation-Page stage. I have a lot of questions, and would appreciate help from other people!
I have started a book/page: Create Vampires. I hope this book, suggested as a guide and factual resource, will help people in general.
Any title suggestions? Ideas on how to avoid copyright violations?
Anyone want to volunteer as contributors?
I have created a basic outline [Table of content] that is just a suggestion.

I really want this project to be a good guide for people, written by several people, not just by ME.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peyton09 (talkcontribs)

@Peyton09: Thanks for joining up with us. I'm a little confused about the scope of your proposed book. What would the book be about exactly? It's about best practices for writing fictional characters that are vampires or writing in a sub-genre of horror fiction, is that correct? —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Justin I may be the only contributor so far, yet the ideas and good advice of other people are always good. I mean, if you want to contribute new ideas... Ideally, the book is, and will be a guide for writers that will focus on what makes a vampire a original fictional monster, what aspects make a vampire a unique character. Tips to help writers begin their own fictional creation, or monsters, will guide introducing moral points of view. The ideas and good advice of other people are also good, because ideas should be shared. Peyton09 (discusscontribs) 13:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Peyton09: Just a heads up, with each new comment you add directly referencing one before it, add a new colon <:> and if you want to notify users that you are mentioning them, use {{ping|[username]}} (e.g. {{Ping|koavf}}) to get my attention. I think that guides on writing fiction are a great idea. It seems like you have a very narrow topic that doesn't really fit an entire booḱs scope but certainly a subsection of a book. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
trying this new stuff...:)…@Koavf: Thanks Justin. I am not worried, although I do hear your subtle criticism, I do think that I am blending several book types: textbook+guides, and this may create a split, meaning that people may choose a textbook, over a writing guide. I think my idea works...yet, I also wondered, would it be better to 1. stay general, meaning suggest a Wikibook like "Create Monsters," or 2. move towards a more neutral zone, with a less horrific creation, such as "Create Ghost," A NEUTRAL ZONE that allows for positive creations, as well as negative creations.
I was going to next suggest Create Ghost, yet I have problems naming titles, and I feel that this project is 1. big enough, and 2. a clear zone that others can move away from. I hope this makes some sense. I think other people could use these guides when they are better understood. Thanks. Peyton09 (discusscontribs) 03:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Trying to make the perfect book is hard, choosing to make a good book is less difficult. I'm going to aim towards making a good book. Peyton09 (discusscontribs) 03:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Justin, I hope you don't mind me asking, are you available? I wonder, should I focus on teaching some people's ideas, or should I work out a way to teach ideas? I could use help. I have this in mind: Textbooks [collected info], Tutorial [guide by Tutor], Self-Study course [self guide. read recommendations]. This seems to be the key to what I had in mind. Today, I discovered a new approach. Create Vampires was intended to focus on vampires, and introduce zombies, demons, ghost, and hungry-ghosts. I could suggest a logical fallacy is created when we choose to "create" monsters, rather than reflecting actual people, their dramatic or horrifying stories. This suggests readers have a choice in the type of fiction they can study. This seems better as a formula. I wonder how I can get help from writers? Any suggestions? There are flaws... Thanks. Peyton09 (discusscontribs) 04:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Peyton09: I'm happy to help but I'm not quite as experienced on this project as I am on other ones. I think you should focus on what you feel like is highest value. I think that tutorials on writing genre fiction are a perfectly appropriate venture. If you stick with it, I'd love to see what that looks like in several months or years. If you want feedback from other writers, that's tricky. Maybe you could have a little project on Wikiversity and see if anyone wants to collaborate on best practices for writers there? In reality, it seems like a lot of writers are out of work now due to all the pandemic lockdown but I have no idea how to reach out to them or convince them to give free labor to Wikibooks. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf:} Thanks. Good advice. Sorry to hear about other people's modern problems...I hope things get better.


Greeting wikibookians, my internet connection is down, meaning that for the past few days I am having a difficult time connecting to Wikibooks. I have done nothing with Create Ghost. Sorry.Peyton09 (discusscontribs) 10:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: I want people who dream of writing their own books, text-books, or tutorials to slow down. I myself am less willing to pay expensive postage to mail new ideas, and although computer connections do communicate at higher speeds than traditional mail carriers, computer connections do not often connect, link, and computers may "freeze" for unknown reasons. Although several writers may be out of work, this time could be a blessing in disguise. I hope we can share good advice with people, and information of use. ThanksPeyton09 (discusscontribs) 18:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Some advice on plan for final touches on making completed book publicly available?[edit]

@Mrjulesd: hello (& hello to other readers), you previously sent me a message offering kind assistance on finally transferring my book to the main public work-space. I've tried to figure out what needs to be done by looking through the Wikibooks help, but not so sure that I've made no mistakes in my planned course of action. Could you, or even other people, please advise as to whether my following plan of action appears to be correct?

  1. First run MovePage tool shown here on every page of the book.     OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.
  2.   ADD "BOOK CATEGORY" INFORMATION
    1. Add {{BookCat}} to the bottom of every page of book other than the main page, as well as to every book template.     OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.
    2. For each image in book, add [[{{BOOKCATEGORY|End-user_Computer_Security}}/Images]] to the bottom of the Wikibooks page for the image (the page here is an example of such a page).     OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.
      Is this the case even for images that may be reused in other book projects?    Mrjulesd seems to say 'yes'.
    3. For each talk/discussion page of book, add [[{{BOOKCATEGORY|End-user_Computer_Security}}/Discussion]]to the bottom of the page.
      NOT NEEDED   
      💬
      Mrjulesd.
      Is this right?    Mrjulesd says it's not needed.
  3.   ADD "SHELF AND SUBJECT CATEGORY" INFORMATION
    1. Place {{subjects|Information security|Business}} at bottom of main page of book.    NOT NEEDED   
      💬
      Mrjulesd.
    2. Place {{shelves|Information security|Business}} at bottom of main page of book.     OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.    

      DECIDED TO ALSO ADD BOOK TO ENGINEERING SHELF AFTER HAVING READ THE SHELF'S DESCRIPTION.
  4.   ADD "NON-SUBJECT CATEGORY" INFORMATION   USE Wikibooks Stacks,   ADD  CCO ResourcesMAIN PAGE   
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    Mrjulesd.
    1. Add [[Category:Categories|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] to bottom of every page of book, where Categories is the specific name of the NON-SUBJECT category into which the page should be placed. When the page should be added to more than one category, add this code more than once, with each instance being for a different particular NON-SUBJECT category under which the page should be classified. The code just mentioned, should be adapted for certain pages of the book; specifically, the {{SUBPAGENAME}} magic word in the code ought to be appropriately exchanged for other text in each such instance; the specific adaptions are outlined in the next list item (b).   PROBABLY UNNECESSARY.   
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      Mrjulesd.
    2. For each of the following pages, instead of using the magic word {{SUBPAGENAME}} for the sort key, the special sort key indicated in the table for the page, should be used (default sort key is overridden in such cases):
      Page name Other identifier Sort key to use instead
      Some measures that are primarily physical chapter 5 "physical"
      What to do when you discover your computer has been hacked chapter 9 "hack"
      New security inventions requiring a non-trivial investment in new technology under appendix "inventions"
      Preliminaries contents, index, & foreword "Computer Security"
         PROBABLY UNNECESSARY.   
      💬
      Mrjulesd.
    3. After more or less exhaustively examining the present NON-SUBJECT categories, I have determined that I will likely be using the following NON-SUBJECT categories:
      1. Intermediate reading level
      2. Advanced reading level
      3. Books_containing_original_research
      After perusing your NON-SUBJECT categories, it does appear that maybe your current list is a bit lacking. I'm wondering whether I should create some new NON-SUBJECT categories, such as one for user-credential security, since I have a chapter on it, and there may be pages in other books also dealing with the same subject. What do you think about this?
         CREATE YOUR CATEGORIES BY CLICKING ON THE RED LINKS IN THE CATEGORIES NAMESPACE.   
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      Mrjulesd.


         CAN CATEGORISE ON AN INDIVIDUAL-PAGE BASIS (RATHER THAN JUST ON A BOOK-WIDE BASIS), I ADVISE THAT YOU USE SUB-CATEGORIES OF THE BOOK CATEGORY FOR SUCH    (EG. "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Whatever").   
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      Mrjulesd.
    4. Add the presently unfinished book index (only part of book that is currently incomplete), to a new category under the TODO parent category.    PROBABLY UNNECESSARY.   
      💬
      Mrjulesd.
      1. Create "TODO/Index for End-user Computer Security book" as a Category page. Then add following to page:
        __HIDDENCAT__
        [[category:TODO|End-user_Computer_Security]]
        [[{{BOOKCATEGORY|End-user_Computer_Security}}]]
        
      2. Then add the following text to the talk page for the book:
        * {{todolink|End-user Computer Security book|todo-list of End-user Computer Security book}}
        
  5. Add the following code to bottom of the book's main page:
    {{Alphabetical|E}}
    {{status|100%}}
    

        OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.

MarkJFernandes (discusscontribs) 13:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


That's essentially it. I'll direct you to Wikibooks:CCO Resources and Template:BookCat which better explain things than I could probably do.
But in summary:
Point 1: correct
Point 2: yes add {{BookCat}}. I imagine your book will be called "End-user Computer Security", so it would add to "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security". Categories to images can also be added by "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Images", and templates to "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Templates". Talk pages don't need cats, as the parent pages should already have cats.
Point 3: {{shelves}} is sufficient. I think {{Subjects}} came before Wikibooks Stacks came into operation, so is now legacy.
Point 4: Firstly please don't add your pages to "Category:Categories". Basically what you need to do is use Wikibooks Stacks; it works very well in practice, and is now the default for books on this project; further categorization could be done but is probably unnecessary. It's also very simple: all you needed to do is add {{BookCat}} to each (non-talk) page, and the CCO Resources to the main page. You also need to create your cats by clicking on the cat red-links and clicking create. All the rest is done automatically. You could further categorize pages within your book, but I would suggest you use subcats of the book cat, which I would imagine would be "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security", so something like "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Whatever".
Point 5: correct.
Overall my advice is to keep it simple at this stage, and move on to more advanced things later. Thanks to Wikibook Stacks, its all incredibly simple to get going, and is all you need to do for now. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 14:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

🙏👍


@Mrjulesd: was just wondering whether you could advise as to the categories selection part. So what I've done, is that I've gone through all the categories, in the categories namespace, and selected the following rough list of categories that might be appropriate:
Can you just comment on this? Does it look right? Am I perhaps not doing something quite right?


MarkJFernandes (discusscontribs) 11:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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OK I'll tell you what you need to do (at this stage anyway):
* In your book click on the category red-link at the bottom of a page, i.e. Category:Book:End-user Computer Security. To this page add two templates: {{Book category header}} and {{BookCat}}. Put in an edit summary "create" and then press "publish page". You're essentially done with cats at this point, although you could create subcats at some point, depending on how you feel about it.
* To the main page, i.e. End-user Computer Security, you need to add the following:
** {{alphabetical|E}}
** {{shelves|Information security|Computing}} - this is a suggestion, you may feel other shelves more appropriate
** {{status|100%}} - if complete, otherwise something else
** {{reading level|intermediate}} - I would imagine that this is roughly right, if you disagree that's fine
Now I realise that you've put your main page as a speedy delete, so it may not be possible to do it at this point. But these are the first steps, once you've done this you can think about more advanced options. But for many books this is all you need. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@Mrjulesd: the book is virtually ready to announce to others. In fact I can announce it even now. There is just one outstanding issue, and that is to do with my images being CATEGORISED in my IMAGES BOOK-CATEGORY SUBCATEGORY. I tried to follow yours and Wikibook's guidance, but am not getting it to work. Can you please direct me as to how I can get this image, to be CATEGORISED in my images BOOK CATEGORY?

thanks     MarkJFernandes (discusscontribs) 15:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@MarkJFernandes: Ah that's a good question, since its uploaded to Commons it may not be possible. This edit didn't work. Maybe ask at Wikibooks:Reading room/Technical Assistance, as there might be a way that I don't know about? But if it's not added to the cat it shouldn't matter too much. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Followed Mrjulesd's advice, and posted query to the Technical Assistance reading room here.


Is it not okay to CATEGORISE chapters in non-BOOK, non-SUBJECT/SHELF categories?[edit]

@Mrjulesd: thanks for your guidance thus far. I've created and used all of my BOOK CATEGORIES, and I'm happy with them for the time being. I'm slightly confused as to whether it is correct or not, to CATEGORISE chapters in non-SUBJECT categories (non-SHELF categories) that are also not BOOK CATEGORIES. Your guides seem to say that you shouldn't do that, and that instead chapters and other non-front-page pages should instead be categorised into BOOK CATEGORIES under the BOOK CATEGORY for the overall book. I know it's probably not necessary at this stage to do any such further CATEGORISATION, but once I've finalised the book, I'm not sure when I'll be returning to it for further improvements, so it might be best to get it out of the way now.

thank you     MarkJFernandes (discusscontribs) 08:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@MarkJFernandes: well in general that shouldn't be necessary, but I suppose it might depend on the category you have in mind. Have you got a specific example of why this might be necessary, and an example of a category you wish to add chapters to? Sometimes chapters get automatically added to categories like Category:Pages using deprecated source tags through the use of templates. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
We don't use non-book, non subject categories, for example to group pages in different books together. That's because books are seen as independent self-contained things, and one page of a book wouldn't be grouped with one page from a different book. Occasionally people try to do this - usually Wikipedia editors - by adding article type categories, but someone else usually removes them very quickly. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 10:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@Mrjulesd, QuiteUnusual: thanks for both of your responses. I'm going to go with QuiteUnusual's thinking, as this seems to make the most sense to me given what I found in the published guidance, and what QuiteUnusual said about what happens when ppl violate the rule.

thank you     MarkJFernandes (discusscontribs) 14:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


Tips on how to create a first book[edit]

Any tips on how to create a first book please?Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesthrive (talkcontribs)

@Jesthrive: Thanks for asking. Have you looked at Help:Contents yet? If you haven't, there's a lot to poke thru there. I suppose things that may not be explicit in the help documentation are:
  1. Make sure you have some idea of the structure of a book before you start. This will save you a lot of administrative headaches later.
  2. Books here generally tend to be solo projects. There's no reason why this has to be true and of course, as a wiki, we are here to help one another but there are just very few editors at Wikibooks, so many, many books end up being either essentially the work of one person or a failed experiment that is abandoned for years. :/
Here's hoping you stick around. Let me know how I can help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jesthrive: You'll want to read this book: Using Wikibooks. --17:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Wrestling[edit]

I want to start a new book. What do I do? Gorozigg64 (discusscontribs) 15:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, @Gorozigg64: We provide a book about this, Using Wikibooks. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 17:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

contribution[edit]

Hi. Here is a link. Here 3DickUlus writes: "wiki books doesn't give me the freedom I need to maintain it properly... they complain when I post a screenshot and tell me that I'm not allowed to post copyrighted material...FragM is opensource and I have contributed more than half of the code, so wikibooks is not the place I want people going for proper and up to date documentation." What do you think about it ? --Adam majewski (discusscontribs) 19:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Adam majewski: FragM is a redlink, so I have no clue what the guy is talking about. Can you please be more explicit about exactly what the problem is? —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf: Thx for replay. I have updated a link. I have also strikeout some text because it is IMHO normal. Only second part of his comment shows the problem--Adam majewski (discusscontribs) 16:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)answer