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== Producing refereed academic papers on Wikibooks ==
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In response to the message asking me to introduce myself: Elizabeth Penrose. I've had a few of my [SF/Fantasy/Genre] poems published, and you can find some of them on the web. Although I've made factual edits to Wikipedia (I like poetry & Pittsburgh history), most of my marks revise article grammar. [[User:Pittsburgh Poet|Pittsburgh Poet]] ([[User talk:Pittsburgh Poet|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pittsburgh Poet|contribs]]) 22:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
   
For some time I have had the idea of using the internet to produce academic papers in the public domain. Wikibooks might be the place to do this. The idea is that an author submits a new draft paper. People can jump in to make additions and possibly add their names as co-authors. People can jump in to edit and add their names as editors. When the paper has sufficient content it can be frozen for refereeing. Suitably qualified referees can be invited (or maybe just drop in) to determine if the paper is suitable for publication. If it is suitable it can be sent to Wikisource and linked (if appropriate) to articles in Wikipedia. Wikibooks academic papers would need a special format.
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I'm Phil Torrance, 1990 BA Math with software engineering.
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I google as "americium dream" . [[User:Wikipaddn|Wikipaddn]] ([[User talk:Wikipaddn|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikipaddn|contribs]]) 03:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
   
The advantages of this system is that the papers would be created and remain in the public domain. Publication might also be faster than through the established printed journals. Academics like myself want the widest possible distribution of their work but this gets blocked because the publishers of academic journals normally take the copyright of the papers away from the authors.
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Hi. this computer science graduate student's M.O. seems to be to proofread while studying, so we also have a motive as to why I so smack SPSS around :-) With hopes to give Java EE its turn. I'm Gherson on wikipedia proper, but it's ok because notice I smile when I say that :-))) Regards, [[User:Gherson2|Gherson2]] ([[User talk:Gherson2|discuss]] [[Special:Contributions/Gherson2|contribs]]) 17:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
   
I am new to Wikibooks and Wiki space in general, so I apologize if I'm way off track with this. It is just an idea, hopefully it can gain substance if other people are interested. [[User:Logicalgregory|Logicalgregory]] ([[User talk:Logicalgregory|talk]]) 07:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the comments. It seems that wikibooks is not the place for this idea. However, I will continue the thread for a moment longer, if only for the benefit of others who are lost in wikispace. At wikia I found a page that has been set up to do almost exactly what I proposed. It seems to have been in existence for some six years and, although all the infrastructure is there, there is virtually no content. It seems that an "academic publishing" page is just too general to attract participants. It needs to be more focused on a specific area of study. Also, I think it needs a strong group to start it off. I do not think it can be started by just one person with the expectation that others will just drop in (it will end up as dead space). I might pursue the idea further at wikiversity if I can put a group together.[[User:Logicalgregory|Logicalgregory]] ([[User talk:Logicalgregory|talk]]) 09:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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:What you are describing sounds more like [http://academia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Wikia]. We have a [[WB:OR|policy]] against original research here on Wikibooks. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 09:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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This change is very similar to the "Typography Update" Beta Feature that has been available on Wikimedia projects since November 2013. After several rounds of testing and with feedback from the community, this Beta Feature will be disabled and successful aspects enabled in the default site appearance. Users who are logged in may still choose to use another skin, or alter their [[Special:MyPage/vector.css|personal CSS]], if they prefer a different appearance. Local [[MediaWiki:Common.css|common CSS]] styles will also apply as normal, for issues with local styles and scripts that impact all users.
::Please, I beg of you, let's not advertise for Wikia, as that is a conflict of interest with the Wikimedia Foundation board. As for the "[[WB:OR|policy]] against original research" here, I personally think that is something that ought to be reconsidered by the community. Having now carefully read that policy, I am wondering if [[World_War_II/Strategic_Bombing_in_Europe|this recent output]] is actually in violation of Wikibooks policy? -- [[User:Thekohser|Thekohser]] ([[User talk:Thekohser|talk]]) 19:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, don't worry about "advertising" on this level. It is traditional to suggest to people, before nuking their silly contributions, to point out other places that will take them, "this is better for Wikia" is quite a bit nicer than "get that crap out of here!" We could also point out, for example, [http://mywikibiz.com MyWikiBiz]. Just don't ''you'' point it out, okay! More to the point, though, is that Wikiversity is a great place for original research, it is explicitly allowed, just don't try to present it as a scientific consensus, for example, if it isn't. But you can put up a page on your Favorite Crackpot Theory, note that it's not accepted, and then pretty much say what you want as long as it isn't illegal or fattening. At least that's the theory, the execution of the theory gets a bit ragged sometimes, but we are working on that.
 
   
:::As to your brilliant paper, while one might quibble with some words at the end, one might also allow an author some flexibility, especially if the conclusions reached are obvious, and Wikibooks policy on Original Research seems far more flexible than that of Wikipedia. In the end -- in both places! -- the real standard is consensus, there is no way around that unless the Foundation wants to step in, i.e., no way, so my advice: remember to be nice! Now, if I could just take my own advice..... --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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:[[v:|Wikiversity]] is a good place for this, which is still within the Wikimedia projects. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<font color="midnightblue">dark</font>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<font color="green">lama</font>]]</span> 14:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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::Yes. My opinion is that it is possible that Wikiversity could establish a peer review process, and that it could become, effectively, a publisher of peer-reviewed papers. There are quite a few obstacles to overcome, though. I don't expect to see this soon. However, papers can be written there, just as students and teachers may present, in classes, original research. An exciting idea is the collaborative writing of papers that might be submitted for publication elsewhere, under normal peer review. I've even set up a lab resource at [[Wikiversity:Cold fusion/Lab|Cold fusion/Lab]], something that would be completely inappropriate on Wikipedia or here. I work extensively on Wikiversity because of the great academic freedom that is the ideal there. It's largely realized, and there have only been problems arising from WMF critics using Wikiversity to criticize WMF projects, and then individuals criticized, often politically powerful within the WMF community, and their friends, also came to oppose, sometimes also in disruptive ways. The use (for "Wiki studies") is theoretically possible, but will require the establishment of ethical standards, and I wanted Thekohser to be unblocked there precisely so that he could support the development of those standards, from the critic side, and I assume that there will be others who will participate from the "defense." If, absent such standards, he abuses the relative freedom of Wikiversity to prematurely criticize, I will act to prevent it. But I don't expect it to be a problem. He's been very cooperative. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 18:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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:: Dear Logicalgregory,
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:: That sounds like an excellent idea. However, as Darklama and Recent Runes pointed out, other wiki exist that would be an even better place for it than Wikibooks.
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:: If you are thinking about publishing some particular paper, perhaps it would be even better to post an outline on a wiki dedicated to whatever particular field you are interested in. A few such narrowly-focused wiki are:
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::* [http://www.scienceofspectroscopy.info/ Science of Spectroscopy wiki]
 
::* [http://openwetware.org/ OpenWetWare wiki: biology]
 
::* [http://renewableenergy.wikia.com/wiki/Renewable_Energy_Design Renewable Energy Design wikia]
 
::* [http://www.sklogwiki.org/ SklogWiki dedicated to thermodynamics and statistical mechanics]
 
::* [http://wiki.biomine.skelleftea.se/wiki/ BioMineWiki: biology and hydrometallurgy]
 
::* [http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/ UsefulChem Project wiki]
 
::* [http://prettyscience.wikia.com/ Pretty Science Wikia]
 
:: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 
   
As someone who recently repurposed a small portion of his undergraduate honors thesis [[World_War_II/Strategic_Bombing_in_Europe|here on Wikibooks]] (perhaps unwittingly in violation of policy!), I would like to say something. I can attest that there were at least 100 honors papers coming out of Emory University every year in the late 1980's, and one would estimate with near certainty that easily half of them never reached a "digital age" reformatting. It seems an utter waste of talent and labor to '''''not''''' reach out to people with honors research "collecting dust", and ask them (plead with them!) to consider scanning the work for OCR, then releasing it under a free license to share with the rest of the world. Multiply my experience at Emory by at least 200 (or 400, or 800!), to cover the many outstanding universities worldwide that have featured honors papers, etc. We're talking about a great deal of content and information that really should be gathered up and made digital. If not on Wikibooks, why? And where? -- [[User:Thekohser|Thekohser]] ([[User talk:Thekohser|talk]]) 19:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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:Not peer-reviewed, but this material would presumably be fine for Wikiversity, no question, and some of it might be okay here as well. It's likely to be of better quality than the average. Great idea, Thekohser. The problem with great ideas is, frequently, too many Chiefs with great ideas and not enough Indians. I'd suggest this as a project on Wikiversity, to get the papers in a place which is pretty safe from deletion based on arguments of POV, etc., and then review them for transfer to Wikibooks. But I have no problem with placement here first, and then a move to Wikiversity if that seems more appropriate at the time. What I don't like is the raw deal of you do all this work on a page or set of pages and then they are deleted because Randy from Boise and a few drive-bys thought it wasn't notable or was something else Bad. (It's hard to imagine a submitted degree thesis or an honor paper that wouldn't be appropriate, at least, for Wikiversity. But the world is big.) --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 
Concerning Thekosher and Abd remarks on undergraduate honors thesis, I am very confused about where papers can be uploaded on the various Wiki Foundation sites. I have a lot of papers that I would like to make more available to the general public. These are undergraduate thesis, Masters thesis, PhD thesis, a collection of working papers published by University Departments, an even larger collection of papers published in academic journals. The copyright of the published papers have been hi-jacked by various publishers, so there seems to be nothing that can be done about these - they will be locked away in print libraries (where nobody will ever read them) until long after I'm dead (which is why I suggested academic papers could be produced on a Wiki). Going one step back, there are the working papers upon which the published papers are based. They are not as polished as the published papers but are a valuable research resource that could be placed in the public domain. Working papers are peer reviewed within a University Department. When I brought up the question publishing these at Wikisource I was told "We would only look at the papers following peer review" by which I understand them to mean that the working papers would have to be peer reviewed again. This requirement would, I think, be difficult to meet because I know of nobody that would be prepared to spend their time reviewing a paper that has already been reviewed. Now Thekosher suggests collecting undergraduate thesis (I do not think this is a bad idea), when papers that are far more developed, and only one step away from being lost for 100 years, have nowhere to go. [[User:Logicalgregory|Logicalgregory]] ([[User talk:Logicalgregory|talk]]) 07:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 
   
:If you prefer to stay within the Wikimedia Foundation wikis, then [[v:|Wikiversity]] is the only place that original research is acceptable. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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Sorry I'm quite new to Wikibooks and I apologise if this is a stupid question.
::Having been peer reviewed means the work isn't original research per say. The existing peer reviewed journals where the work was previous published and polished up could be cited as sources. However the papers are probably most useful if preserved as papers, so Wikiversity would be the place for that since papers are a type of educational resource acceptable there, while non-book materials are not meant to hosted at Wikibooks. Anyone could use the papers when made available at Wikiversity as a bases for developing books at Wikibooks, if they cite the journals where the work was peer reviewed. Since copyright seems to be a concern I think confirming permission with OTRS should be done before making the papers available at Wikiversity. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<font color="midnightblue">dark</font>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<font color="green">lama</font>]]</span> 15:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 
   
:If it is in the Public Domain and has been published in a "verifiable, usually peer-reviewed forum", it is welcome at wikisource. The Wikiproject can be found at [[s:Wikisource:WikiProject Academic Papers]]. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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Basically we are doing a page for Technological Determinism. We are the only group doing this and thus we have been asked to engage with other groups.
   
:: <s>I think, thought I could be wrong, that wikisource requires the material to be published elsewhere before they will accept it. I suppose this keeps people from posting their rejected papers there straight away without correcting the flaws.</s> [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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I was wondering if there was a way in which we can hyperlink our page from pages that can be attributed to Technological Determinism.
   
== Goodbook ==
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Does anyone know if this can be done?
   
Please see [[Talk:Main Page]]. Thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 10:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
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I'd be grateful of any help.
   
== We need another bureaucrat ==
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([[User:TallNorthernIrishEthan|TallNorthernIrishEthan]] ([[User talk:TallNorthernIrishEthan|discuss]] [[Special:Contributions/TallNorthernIrishEthan|contribs]]) 14:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC))
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: Er. Wikibooks is for books, rather than individual pages on a given topic. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 15:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
   
Wikibooks could certainly benefit from another bureaucrat. I think any wiki with only one bureaucrat will suffer from a problem: if a bureaucrat decision is challenged, there is nobody to reverse it. (No really, I know bureaucrats cannot uncheck admin rights, and I don't know if a renaming can be reversed but...) Also, if there are two bureaucrats the bureaucrats can keep an eye on one another to see if they made any 'crat mistakes. However I won't nominate anyone in case the nominee refuses, and other admins who are also, IMO, eligible to become a 'crat take offence. If you think you can become a 'crat, please self-nominate. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 01:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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== History ==
:A bureaucrat decision naming a sysop can be questioned and reversed at meta, with a showing of local consensus. I do agree, though, that it's better to have two. It may be more important, though, that a 'crat be highly trusted to remain neutral. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]]'s bureaucrat nomination ==
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I am writing a book on [[North Carolina]] and I want some suggestions on how I could separate the parts of the history section. [[User:StudiesWorld|StudiesWorld]] ([[User talk:StudiesWorld|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/StudiesWorld|contribs]]) 21:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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:Looking at what you've just written on [[North Carolina/History]] seems like the way to go. One extra thing might be to put the years in brackets, e.g. Civil War (1860-1865). I know nothing about American history, not even sure if my date guess was close. Hopefully other editors may share their views here soon.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't know the dates exactly but I agree with that. I will work on getting those dates. [[User:StudiesWorld|StudiesWorld]] ([[User talk:StudiesWorld|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/StudiesWorld|contribs]]) 23:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
   
The comment above inspired me to nominate myself as a bureaucrat. As per [[WB:CRAT|policy]] I am advertising my nomination here. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 02:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Check User self-nomination ==
   
== Placement of HTML tags: Wiktionary or Wikibooks? ==
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Over at [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions#Xania_.28discuss.C2.A0.C2.B7_contribs.C2.A0.C2.B7_count.C2.A0.C2.B7_logs.C2.A0.C2.B7_block.C2.A0log.C2.A0.C2.B7_rfps.C2.A0.C2.B7_rights_.5Bchange.5D.29_.28CheckUser.29|Requests for permissions]] I've nominated myself for Check User. Share your views or ask questions as you see fit.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello. I am a Wiktionarian administrator, interested in seeking feedback and opinions from Wikibookians, to solve an issue directly related to both projects.
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== Introduction for GQ Freeman ==
   
There is [[wiktionary:Wiktionary:Beer parlour#colspan, etc.|an ongoing discussion]] about the existence of individual entries for HTML tags. As notable examples, on Wiktionary, there are ''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Hyper_Text_Markup_Language/img Appendix:Hyper Text Markup Language/img]'', ''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Hyper_Text_Markup_Language/h1 Appendix:Hyper Text Markup Language/h1]'' and ''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Hyper_Text_Markup_Language/title Appendix:Hyper Text Markup Language/title]'', to define, respectively, the tags ''img'', ''h1'' and ''title''.
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I am a semi-retired engineer. I recently gave up the idea of becoming a high school science teacher in favor of trying to start a tiny, indie 3D graphics studio with a new friend. I'm endeavoring to add corrections/clarifications to "Blender 3D: Noob to Pro" as I slog my way through it.
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:Thank you for introducing yourself here. Good luck with the corrections and clarifications. If you have any questions feel free to post a message in here and someone, hopefully, will reply.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
   
However, especially since the creation and maintenance of HTML tags at Wiktionary is a fairly new project, it depends on further consensus. All these pages may conceivably be kept or be deleted from Wiktionary, according to the development of possible discussions and/or votes.
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One particular argument for deleting these pages from Wiktionary is that there are already pages on Wikibooks, including ''[[HyperText Markup Language/Tag List/img]]'', ''[[HyperText Markup Language/Tag List/option]]'' and ''[[HyperText Markup Language/Tag List/table]]'' for similar purposes, therefore Wiktionarian versions would be redundant.
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I come from the English Wikipedia, though I am also active on Commons. I've been adding a few things to the Bartending guide. I probably won't be around too much, but I'm definitely going to be keeping Wikibook in mind for future projects. There is a lot of cool stuff on here. [[User:Zellfaze|Zellfaze]] ([[User talk:Zellfaze|discuss]] [[Special:Contributions/Zellfaze|contribs]]) 18:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
   
Since the particular message "Given this book is a user guide, it is organized around topics from the user's perspective, not around the names of the tags." is displayed at the top of [[HyperText Markup Language/Tag List]], am I right in assuming that individual pages for each HTML tag would be better placed in Wiktionary? Or, perhaps, there are reasons for keeping them at Wikibooks, that I am unaware of?
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:Welcome! It is always nice to see a new face. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 19:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks in advance. --[[User:Daniel.|Daniel.]] ([[User talk:Daniel.|talk]]) 17:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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Greetings, my apologies for writing in English.
   
:I would consider that page more of an alphabetical index of tags and the note is indicating that the chapters shown at the root of the book will use those tags as needed based on the functional organization of the book. The book as a whole is based around what kinds of things you want to do with HTML rather than going through each tag in turn. HTML tags are not anything close to what I'd imagine being hosted at Wiktionary and it seems like that's a reach for Wiktionary's scope. I compare [[HyperText Markup Language/Tag List/img]] with [[wikt:Appendix:Hyper Text Markup Language/img]] and the former is far superior. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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I wanted to let you know that [[mw:Multimedia/About Media Viewer|Media Viewer]] will be released to this wiki in the coming weeks. Media Viewer allows readers of Wikimedia projects to have an enhanced view of files without having to visit the file page, but with more detail than a thumbnail. You can try Media Viewer out now by turning it on in your [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta Features]]. If you do not enjoy Media Viewer or if it interferes with your work after it is turned on you will be able to disable Media Viewer as well in your [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|preferences]]. I invite you to [[mw:Talk:Multimedia/About Media Viewer|share what you think]] about Media Viewer and how it can be made better in the future.
   
:: Since Wiktionary is already more reference-like, it makes sense in that view to put them there. But Wikibooks would be a more logical choice given the content and purpose of Wikibooks itself. I can't, however, imagine that a separate book would be created for the reference of each computer language. Which, in turn, means that if they were to be placed on Wikibooks, they'd necessarily have to form part of some sort of appendix within each wikibook on their respective subjects. In either case, a reference list for HTML as well as for other computer languages is certainly extremely useful. I really think we should at least have references for computer languages ''somewhere'' on Wikimedia. But where, I don't know. [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] ([[User talk:CodeCat|talk]]) 18:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for your time. - [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] 21:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
   
:(edit conflict, above comments by Adrignola and CodeCat not yet read.)That is an interesting question, and one I don't know I have a quick answer to. My feeling is that the tag list you point out is certainly appropriate for the book it is in, that is as an appendix to the textbook on HTML. As to the individual structure of the book, one entry per page seems a bit cumbersome but I usually defer to individual book contributors for how they like to structure their books. So I imagine that the pages are reasonably covered by our scope. I am less familiar with wikitonary's scope, but roughly speaking traditional dictionaries have appendices on all sorts of things (how to convert cups to tablespoons, etc.), and I am not surpirsed that wikitionary has such an appendix. But then again, it really becomes a line as to where the scope begins and ends, this wouldn't be covered in a more traditional dictionary... so, to summarize, I don't know how to feel about these pages at wikitionary, but the pages pointed to in wikibooks are well suited to our scope. I am not sure how to handle the duplication of effort problem. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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: I think "HyperText Markup Language/Tag List" with all its subpages should be separated again into a standalone book, named along the lines of "HTML Reference". I do not think a reference book should be presented as an appendix of a guidebook; these should be two standalone books instead. On the other subject, this seems to be a Wikibooks material rather than a dictionary one. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 18:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Lidepla wikibook ==
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Hi all! I'm from Russia and I would like to make a translation of Russian wikibook on Lingwa de planeta. Hope you will edit my English, when necessary. Thank you! --[[User:Sunnynai|Sunnynai]] ([[User talk:Sunnynai|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sunnynai|contribs]]) 16:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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:Hello [[User:Sunnynai|Sunnynai]]. I am Vishal. A warm welcome to the world of the books (though not physical, but still a vast one). It is really appreciative to know that you are contributing for the good. Please feel free to ask any time, anything. All the very best. :)
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Danke Schôn. [[User:Harrybrowne1986|Vishal]][[User Talk:Harrybrowne1986| Bakhai]] - [[Special:Contributions/Harrybrowne1986|Works]][[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|15px]] 18:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
   
I think "which project" is the wrong thing to focus on. A dictionary explains how to pronounce words, there definitions, and correct grammar uses. Books may have a glossary, which usually only include unfamiliar words that people in the field should know without details usually found in a dictionary. Books should have glossaries. I think what Wiktionarians should focus on is if explaining how to pronounce words, there definitions, and correct grammar uses for programming terms is relevant to Wiktionary's scope. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<font color="midnightblue">dark</font>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<font color="green">lama</font>]]</span> 18:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Twitter: WeAreWikipedia ==
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The [https://m.twitter.com/WeAreWikipedia @WeAreWikipedia] account on Twitter is run by a different Wikipedian each week. This week it's me, and I'm trying to include something about each sister project. Do drop by, and follow it if that's your thing. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Re Dan: Maybe, but the implication is that there will be more than just one reference book. If there is a HTML reference, then we'll also want a reference book for C, Python and so on for every other computer language with a sizable collection of names. [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] ([[User talk:CodeCat|talk]]) 20:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Authority control ==
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I have imported the template {{tl|Authority control}} and several sub-templates from simple.Wikipedia - you can see an example on my user page. The same template (or variants) is in use on several Wikipedias, Wikidata, Commons Wikiquote and Wikisource. See [[:w:WP:Authority control]] for background.
   
:::Wiktionary has developed a consistent format to organize morphemes of multiple languages. I believe it may as well be consistently expanded to include commands, tags and other characteristics of computer codes, that may in turn be further organized by categorization and indexes. For example, once this project reaches a certain level of maturity, a page called [[wikt:Appendix:Control flow statements]] could explain "go to", "for" and "while" of various languages together.
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The template links to several library-catalogue authority databases, such as [[:w:VIAF]] and [[:w:ISNI]].
:::If one particular goal of Wiktionary is to explain the grammar of many natural languages, it may as well conceivably explain the syntax of programming languages similarly. Since Wikibooks has [[Subject:English language]], in addition to the coverage of English from Wiktionary, I assume each project may treat the same subjects from different approaches, without them becoming redundant to each other. --[[User:Daniel.|Daniel.]] ([[User talk:Daniel.|talk]]) 20:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== Five-year WMF targets ==
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Of particular note is the [[:w:ORCID]] parameter. As explained at [[:W:WP:ORCID]], individual contributors may register for an ORCID identifier, and then use it on their contributions/ user page here.
   
There was a thread on the foundation-l mailing list on [[wmf:Resolution:Five-year_targets|five-year Wikimedia Foundation targets]] excluding non-Wikipedia projects. Below are some highlights that would be most relevant for those concerned with Wikibooks. The full postings are linked. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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I am the Wikipedian- [sic: Wikimedian-] in-Residence at ORCID, and happy to answer any questions about that system and its use in Wikimedia projects.
   
{{cquote|The vast majority of our users are using Wikipedia and not the other projects, which means even a small improvement to Wikipedia is likely to have more impact than even a large improvement to one of the other projects. Sue was very clear that prioritising Wikipedia only applies to the WMF. The community can, and should, continue to improve the other projects, the WMF just feels that its limited resources are better used where they will have more impact.|||Thomas Dalton|[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061533.html foundation-l mailing list]}}
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Please consider this an invitation to register for an ORCID identifier, and to use it on your own user page. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|discuss]] [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|contribs]]) 20:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
   
{{cquote|It's absolutely not clear to me (and I don't think anyone) that a focused investment in, say, textbook development is actually going to result in predictable payoff in a transformatively larger number of sustainable content contributors. That doesn't mean that there isn't a potential for such an investment to be successful, and it doesn't mean that it's not a risk worth taking.|||Erik Moeller|[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061608.html foundation-l mailing list]}}
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== Media Viewer is now live on this wiki ==
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{{cquote|But let's not kid ourselves -- transformatively increasing the productivity and success of efforts like Wiktionary, Wikibooks, and Wikisource is not just a matter of tiny injections of bugfixes and extensions here and there. It's a matter of serious assessment of all underlying processes and developing social and technical architectures to support them. I hope that we'll eventually be able to make such investments, but I also think it's entirely reasonable to prioritize lower risk investments.|||Erik Moeller|[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061608.html foundation-l mailing list]}}
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Greetings,
   
:Wow, how extraordinarily depressing. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 17:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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The Wikimedia Foundation's [[mw:Multimedia|Multimedia team]] is happy to announce that [[mw:Multimedia/About Media Viewer|Media Viewer]] was just released on this site today.
   
::Yes. It's not surprising to me, however. It just gives me all the more motivation to prove them wrong. Also, a relevant slide from Wikimania 2010, where Erik Moeller above took a look at the other Wikimedia projects besides Wikipedia: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Beyondencyclopediawikimania2010-100714133959-phpapp02.pdf&page=23 Slide 23]. Slides before and after cover the others, for comparison. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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Media Viewer displays images in larger size when you click on their thumbnails, to provide a better viewing experience. Users can now view images faster and more clearly, without having to jump to separate pages and its user interface is more intuitive, offering easy access to full-resolution images and information, with links to the file repository for editing. The tool has been tested extensively across all Wikimedia wikis over the past six months as a [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta Feature]] and has been [[mw:Multimedia/Media_Viewer/Release_Plan#Timeline|released]] to the largest Wikipedias, all language Wikisources, and the English Wikivoyage already.
   
:Maybe I should get to work again! -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 01:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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If you do not like this feature, you can easily turn it off by clicking on "Disable Media Viewer" at the bottom of the screen, pulling up the information panel (or in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|your preferences]]) whether you have an account or not. Learn more [[mw:Help:Multimedia/Media_Viewer#How_can_I_turn_off_this_feature.3F|in this Media Viewer Help page]].
   
:I thought Moeller founded Wikinews... Anyway, but how can the WB community prove them wrong? It's not like WB will get much more traffic even if we make it 100% perfect... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 10:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about Media Viewer. You are invited to [[mw:Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer|share your feedback in this discussion on MediaWiki.org]] in any language, to help improve this feature. You are also welcome to [https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/media-viewer-1-all?c=announce-all take this quick survey in English], [https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/media-viewer-1-fr en français], [https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/media-viewer-1-es o español].
::Quantity matters as much as quality. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 
   
:::Indeed, I would think that high quality textbooks would attract more readers due to gaining higher rankings in search results. The moral of the above is that if we want to succeed, we have to do it ourselves and the WMF cannot be relied upon for support. We prove them wrong about our prospects by not giving up even if the head honchos have forgotten where Wikipedia once was compared to where it is today. It's apparent that they have not heard the idea that the greater the risk, the greater the reward. As Wikipedia has matured, the potential for greater percentage of growth lies in the other projects. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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We hope you enjoy Media Viewer. Many thanks to all the community members who helped make it possible. - [[mw:User:Fabrice Florin (WMF)|Fabrice Florin (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Fabrice Florin (WMF)|talk]]) 21:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
   
::::I think the biggest reason why WP is popular is because it's comprehensive. Whenever I want the basic info about something, I use WP. It's what makes WB less likely to succeed than WP... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 13:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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:::::But that is offset by the fact that textbooks are way different than encyclopedias. Something like [[Excel]], [[PHP]], or [[HTML]] wouldn't exist on Wikipedia. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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== laptop maintenance ==
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Does there already exist a wikibook -- or a section of a wikibook -- that lists typical periodic laptop maintenance tasks?
   
:::::: Well one thing we have going for us is price, the text book for the course I am teaching at the moment is $209 from the book store. Multiply that by the 140 students I am requiring to by the text, times the number of years the course has been running, it is really quite a lot of money. And the book is ''required'', I would love to convince the department to require something free (modulo printing costs) but we have to get the books there first. On the other hand I have seen many departments print and sell notes developed by the faculty, so if we had something that was a suitable replacement it would be possible to convince them. Last I checked university departments are not so in love with publishing companies either. (I mean really! They make minor tweaks every two years so there can be a new edition, which means students cannot by the old books used as easily. It is an amazing racket.)
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[[How To Assemble A Desktop PC/Choosing the parts]]
:::::: Of course, secondary education and below is a whole different ball game, it would be much more difficult to get a wikibook adopted at that level in the US. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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briefly mentions cleaning the screen.
   
:::::::http://www.ck12.org is our main competitor on the secondary education front as it is aiming for approval by California's schools. Their licensing was changed to noncommercial a few months back, but I was able to pull content from their site under the cc-by-sa license before that and upload the PDFs to Commons. There are Creative Commons licensed books and material at http://cnx.org, another competitor. The advantage Wikibooks has over these two is that anyone can improve upon the content easily because this is a wiki. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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[[Minimizing Hard Disk Drive Failure and Data Loss/Data Reduction]]
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mentions "routine cleanup".
   
::::::::It's out of the question that secondary schools use learning materials from free sources such as WB, in a truely commercialised world, except for 'non-traditional' subjects such as [[Hong Kong Senior Secondary Liberal Studies|Liberal Studies]]. However, if the education bureau actually allows such materials to be used (which is highly unlikely), I believe it will be extremely popular. There are repeated complaints about book publishers realeasing a new edition every now and then. Sometimes it's necessary. For example, when we were learning planets in primary school, they had to make a new edition of the science book. However, most of the time the changes can be rather trivial, and like Thenub said it can be rather irritating that old books cannot be used. Also, books can be hard to find, especially 'non-traditional' subjects such as Liberal Studies. That's something they are also complaining about. I think using materials from sources such as WB has neither of these advantages and therefore has potential.
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:::::::::One major problem we may face is CC-BY-SA. <s>I read in some paper a few years ago that it has been proposed to let CC-BY-SA become an alternative to public domain in Hong Kong law. I'm not sure if they have implemented it though...</s>[http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/whats_new/news/creative_commons_1710.pdf it was implemented]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 09:37, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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mentions backups, but I am surprised at its insistence that "having a backup of all their data can be entirely impractical",
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== Proposing new deletion process ==
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Where can I find a listing of all the typical periodic laptop maintenance tasks together on one page?
This has been moved to [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#Proposing_new_deletion_process|the proposals reading room]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:50, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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If one does not exist, which wikibook would be the most appropriate for starting a rough draft of such a list?
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--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/DavidCary|contribs]]) 06:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't think there is one... I will see what I can find. [[User:QuiteUnusual|QuiteUnusual]] ([[User talk:QuiteUnusual|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/QuiteUnusual|contribs]]) 14:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
   
== Regex ==
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== I introduce myself ==
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Lafcadio, my username, is from Lafcadio Hearn, who was a famous New Orleanian who edited a cookbook of creole cookery. Subsequently he went to Japan, where he is more famous than here.
   
What regex would I use to remove every ref on a page? -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 17:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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I am from a creole family in the country, along river road. I have lived my entire adult life in New Orleans, however, and greatly admire its authentic cuisine, which is often confused with cajun cuisine. Creole cuisine is based on the haute cuisine of France, with the addition of ingredients from the new world and Africa.
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I am putting my family recipes in the Wikipedia cookbook, in the hope of preserving them for posterity. Most of these are my mother's recipes, but some are recipes that I have obtained from friends or adapted from cook books, and used for years.
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I hope the recipes are not subject to editing, since I am trying to preserve their authenticity.
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== Another introduction ==
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Hi! I just edited the 8th grade science book, and I was hoping someone could take a look. I generally work on Wikipedia, but I thought to give Wikibooks a try. Nice to meet everyone! [[User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|JonathanHopeThisIsUnique]] ([[User talk:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|contribs]]) 19:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
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:Looks good to me; and welcome! [[User:QuiteUnusual|QuiteUnusual]] ([[User talk:QuiteUnusual|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/QuiteUnusual|contribs]]) 13:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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== Introducing myself ==
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Hello to everyone, I am posting this as I saw a message on profile page to introduce myself.
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I am medical graduate from India ,currently pursuing PG in Radiology and also preparing for some more exams.
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I like to untangle the anything that i feel is too complicated to my liking and i good at it (at least that is what my colleagues have told me). Ever I started my med school preps , their were just way too many things to cram in my brain (which shrinks a little every day) , so i started to make jingles out the first alphabets.
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I will most likely be contributing a lot of my mnemonics to this site and messing with others , and if i ever manage to write a book , it will happen here at Wikibooks. {{unsigned3|Randjo}}
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== Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions ==
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The Wikimedia Foundation recently created a new feature, "superprotect" status. The purpose is to prevent pages from being edited by elected administrators -- but permitting WMF staff to edit them. It has been put to use in only one case: to protect the deployment of the Media Viewer software on German Wikipedia, in defiance of a clear decision of that community to disable the feature by default, unless users decide to enable it.
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If you oppose these actions, please add your name to this letter. If you know non-Wikimedians who support our vision for the free sharing of knowledge, and would like to add their names to the list, please ask them to sign an identical version of the letter on change.org.
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* [[:m:Letter to Wikimedia Foundation: Superprotect and Media Viewer|Letter to Wikimedia Foundation: Superprotect and Media Viewer]]
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* [http://www.change.org/p/lila-tretikov-remove-new-superprotect-status-and-permit-wikipedia-communities-to-enact-current-software-decisions-uninhibited Letter on change.org]
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I am notifying you that a brainstorming session has been [[:m:Community Engagement (Product)/Process ideas|started on Meta]] to help the Wikimedia Foundation increase and better affect community participation in software development across all wiki projects. Basically, how can you be more involved in helping to create features on Wikimedia projects? We are inviting all interested users to voice their ideas on how communities can be more involved and informed in the product development process at the Wikimedia Foundation.
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== Featured books advertisement ==
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Please remove that featured books advertisement appearing at the top of pages. It has been here for quite a lot of time, it is unproductive (just like the featured books process itself), and it gets increasingly annoying. I must have hidden it multiple times, and it still keeps appearing. From some computers, it is even impossible to hide, for whatever technical reasons. -- Your Wikibooks contributor, [[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 17:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. --[[User:Good afternoon|Good afternoon]] ([[User talk:Good afternoon|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Good afternoon|contribs]]) 02:38, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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:: As I recall, the original plan was to set up a sitenotice like en.wn has most of the time, where there's a set of several community reminders/invitations, and the sitenotice selects one of them randomly. We hoped to have several here, too, but hadn't gotten to more than just that one.
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:: Would a rotating message like that be equally obnoxious to you? (I don't recall every hearing a complaint about it over there, so I wonder if the difference could have to do with the pshychology of the rotating message, which doesn't hit one thing nearly as hard as featured books is being hit here.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 04:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|Dan Polansky|Good afternoon}} I'm very interested in understanding this, because I'd been hoping (one of these days, in my [[wikt:copious free time|copious free time]]) to put together a rotating set of messages such as en.wn has. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 04:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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== Vietnamese postage stamp ==
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Good day!
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There is article about a bug [[w:Anoplophora horsfieldi|Anoplophora horsfieldi]]. Whether it is possible at the end of this article in gallery to place the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --[[User:Matsievsky|Matsievsky]] ([[User talk:Matsievsky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matsievsky|contribs]]) 09:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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<br> Second question. There is category for bug Anoplophora horsfieldi [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anoplophora_horsfieldi Category:Anoplophora_horsfieldi]. Whether it is possible in this category the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --[[User:Matsievsky|Matsievsky]] ([[User talk:Matsievsky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matsievsky|contribs]]) 09:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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: Depends on whether the image itself is qualified. Artwork on a stamp is certainly intellectual work and would normally be a no-no, but a quick search on the commons shows a lot of [[Commons:Stamps/Public_domain|stamps in the inventory]]--but none for Vietnam. You'd be better off posting your question there, and if you have such a photo, asking what the stamp criteria are. A quick browse did find a discussion in a 2007 Village Pump archive about a PD-license template for tagging such, and a few other search links, if read may find more. No mention in the FAQ, so don't bother with that! Try making the post above again [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents on one of these pages]. Good luck. // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]]<font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 21:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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'''On your second question:''' a category here wouldn't be useful unless you were writing a book on the subject. But yes, one can be created, speaking technically. However, The images [[commons:|there on the Commons]]&mdash;it's whole purpose is to store media for all Wikimedia projects&mdash;can directly be used here simply by adding the page title in a standard wikimarkup image link like this:
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That's the basics. Good luck again! // Frank [[User:Fabartus|Fra]]<font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 21:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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**** Thank you very much. Sorry my explanation. The problem is that Vietnamese stamp images haven't free licenze. [[User:Matsievsky|Matsievsky]] ([[User talk:Matsievsky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matsievsky|contribs]]) 22:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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== Grants to improve your project ==
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Greetings! The [[:m:Grants:IEG|Individual Engagement Grants program]] is accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th. Your idea could improve Wikimedia projects with a new tool or gadget, a better process to support community-building on your wiki, research on an important issue, or something else we haven't thought of yet.
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Whether you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your own project development time in addition to hiring others to help you.
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*'''[[:m:Grants:IEG#ieg-apply|Submit your proposal]]'''
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*'''Get help''': In [[:m:Grants:IdeaLab|IdeaLab]] or an upcoming [[:m:Grants:IdeaLab/Events#Upcoming_events|Hangout session]] [[User:PEarley (WMF)|PEarley (WMF)]] ([[User talk:PEarley (WMF)|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PEarley (WMF)|contribs]]) 15:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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== How do you make a test book? ==
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Hi everyone! I'm Jonathan. :) I usually make pretty minor edits. I wanted to do something pretty big now (making a new book/reorganizing an old one [Vegan Cuisine]), but I wanted to make sure that I won't be messing up anything, so I thought making a test first, and showing the results if they aren't obviously awful, would be a good idea. Right now it's basically a bunch of links (it's a cookbook, and they seem to normally be like this, although I'm not sure). I want to turn it into a proper book, with each heading a chapter and each recipe a page, and possibly adding reason as to why people eat vegan food, and a history of veganism, plus any other stuff I (and other people who might be interested :)) can think of. Thanks for reading! [[User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|JonathanHopeThisIsUnique]] ([[User talk:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|contribs]]) 19:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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Edit: I feel so silly. I noticed the sandbox button right after submitting this! :)
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:This is a little bit tricky because of the way the Cookbook works. However, if you are extending it beyond cooking then it might be reasonable to put the content in the main space instead. The book [[Using Wikibooks]] is a good introduction to everything you need to know to structure a new book so I'd start by reading that then ask for any further clarification here. [[User:QuiteUnusual|QuiteUnusual]] ([[User talk:QuiteUnusual|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/QuiteUnusual|contribs]]) 17:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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::Hello [[User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|Jonathan]], I believe, you would be able to complete this book. In case you require any assistance, you can contact [[User:Xania|Xania]], or other editors out here. Please feel free to ask anytime. '''Jai Jinendra'''. [[User:Harrybrowne1986|Vishal]][[User Talk:Harrybrowne1986| Bakhai]] - [[Special:Contributions/Harrybrowne1986|Works]][[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|15px]] 10:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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:::Thanks for replying to me, everyone! I'll go look at Using Wikibooks and ask for help when I need it. I've kind of decided to get more comfortable here before doing this, and am editing some other books right now to become more comfortable, but this is really appreciated! :) [[User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|JonathanHopeThisIsUnique]] ([[User talk:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JonathanHopeThisIsUnique|contribs]]) 18:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, hello? Is this mic on?[edit]

In response to the message asking me to introduce myself: Elizabeth Penrose. I've had a few of my [SF/Fantasy/Genre] poems published, and you can find some of them on the web. Although I've made factual edits to Wikipedia (I like poetry & Pittsburgh history), most of my marks revise article grammar. Pittsburgh Poet (discusscontribs) 22:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm Phil Torrance, 1990 BA Math with software engineering. I google as "americium dream" . Wikipaddn (discusscontribs) 03:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi. this computer science graduate student's M.O. seems to be to proofread while studying, so we also have a motive as to why I so smack SPSS around :-) With hopes to give Java EE its turn. I'm Gherson on wikipedia proper, but it's ok because notice I smile when I say that :-))) Regards, Gherson2 (discusscontribs) 17:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Changes to the default site typography coming soon[edit]

This week, the typography on Wikimedia sites will be updated for all readers and editors who use the default "Vector" skin. This change will involve new serif fonts for some headings, small tweaks to body content fonts, text size, text color, and spacing between elements. The schedule is:

  • April 1st: non-Wikipedia projects will see this change live
  • April 3rd: Wikipedias will see this change live

This change is very similar to the "Typography Update" Beta Feature that has been available on Wikimedia projects since November 2013. After several rounds of testing and with feedback from the community, this Beta Feature will be disabled and successful aspects enabled in the default site appearance. Users who are logged in may still choose to use another skin, or alter their personal CSS, if they prefer a different appearance. Local common CSS styles will also apply as normal, for issues with local styles and scripts that impact all users.

For more information:

-- Steven Walling (Product Manager) on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation's User Experience Design team

Tagging Other Pages[edit]

Sorry I'm quite new to Wikibooks and I apologise if this is a stupid question.

Basically we are doing a page for Technological Determinism. We are the only group doing this and thus we have been asked to engage with other groups.

I was wondering if there was a way in which we can hyperlink our page from pages that can be attributed to Technological Determinism.

Does anyone know if this can be done?

I'd be grateful of any help.

(TallNorthernIrishEthan (discusscontribs) 14:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC))

Er. Wikibooks is for books, rather than individual pages on a given topic. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 15:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

History[edit]

I am writing a book on North Carolina and I want some suggestions on how I could separate the parts of the history section. StudiesWorld (discusscontribs) 21:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Looking at what you've just written on North Carolina/History seems like the way to go. One extra thing might be to put the years in brackets, e.g. Civil War (1860-1865). I know nothing about American history, not even sure if my date guess was close. Hopefully other editors may share their views here soon.--ЗAНИA Flag of Estonia.svgtalk 22:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know the dates exactly but I agree with that. I will work on getting those dates. StudiesWorld (discusscontribs) 23:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Check User self-nomination[edit]

Over at Requests for permissions I've nominated myself for Check User. Share your views or ask questions as you see fit.--ЗAНИA Flag of Estonia.svgtalk 17:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Introduction for GQ Freeman[edit]

I am a semi-retired engineer. I recently gave up the idea of becoming a high school science teacher in favor of trying to start a tiny, indie 3D graphics studio with a new friend. I'm endeavoring to add corrections/clarifications to "Blender 3D: Noob to Pro" as I slog my way through it.

Thank you for introducing yourself here. Good luck with the corrections and clarifications. If you have any questions feel free to post a message in here and someone, hopefully, will reply.--ЗAНИA Flag of Estonia.svgtalk 01:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Introduction[edit]

I come from the English Wikipedia, though I am also active on Commons. I've been adding a few things to the Bartending guide. I probably won't be around too much, but I'm definitely going to be keeping Wikibook in mind for future projects. There is a lot of cool stuff on here. Zellfaze (discusscontribs) 18:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome! It is always nice to see a new face. Thenub314 (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer[edit]


Greetings, my apologies for writing in English.

I wanted to let you know that Media Viewer will be released to this wiki in the coming weeks. Media Viewer allows readers of Wikimedia projects to have an enhanced view of files without having to visit the file page, but with more detail than a thumbnail. You can try Media Viewer out now by turning it on in your Beta Features. If you do not enjoy Media Viewer or if it interferes with your work after it is turned on you will be able to disable Media Viewer as well in your preferences. I invite you to share what you think about Media Viewer and how it can be made better in the future.

Thank you for your time. - Keegan (WMF) 21:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Lidepla wikibook[edit]

Hi all! I'm from Russia and I would like to make a translation of Russian wikibook on Lingwa de planeta. Hope you will edit my English, when necessary. Thank you! --Sunnynai (discusscontribs) 16:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sunnynai. I am Vishal. A warm welcome to the world of the books (though not physical, but still a vast one). It is really appreciative to know that you are contributing for the good. Please feel free to ask any time, anything. All the very best. :)

Danke Schôn. Vishal Bakhai - WorksFlag of India.svg 18:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Twitter: WeAreWikipedia[edit]

The @WeAreWikipedia account on Twitter is run by a different Wikipedian each week. This week it's me, and I'm trying to include something about each sister project. Do drop by, and follow it if that's your thing. Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 19:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Authority control[edit]

I have imported the template {{Authority control}} and several sub-templates from simple.Wikipedia - you can see an example on my user page. The same template (or variants) is in use on several Wikipedias, Wikidata, Commons Wikiquote and Wikisource. See w:WP:Authority control for background.

The template links to several library-catalogue authority databases, such as w:VIAF and w:ISNI.

Of particular note is the w:ORCID parameter. As explained at W:WP:ORCID, individual contributors may register for an ORCID identifier, and then use it on their contributions/ user page here.

I am the Wikipedian- [sic: Wikimedian-] in-Residence at ORCID, and happy to answer any questions about that system and its use in Wikimedia projects.

Please consider this an invitation to register for an ORCID identifier, and to use it on your own user page. Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 20:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer is now live on this wiki[edit]


Media Viewer lets you see images in larger size

Greetings,

The Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team is happy to announce that Media Viewer was just released on this site today.

Media Viewer displays images in larger size when you click on their thumbnails, to provide a better viewing experience. Users can now view images faster and more clearly, without having to jump to separate pages — and its user interface is more intuitive, offering easy access to full-resolution images and information, with links to the file repository for editing. The tool has been tested extensively across all Wikimedia wikis over the past six months as a Beta Feature and has been released to the largest Wikipedias, all language Wikisources, and the English Wikivoyage already.

If you do not like this feature, you can easily turn it off by clicking on "Disable Media Viewer" at the bottom of the screen, pulling up the information panel (or in your preferences) whether you have an account or not. Learn more in this Media Viewer Help page.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about Media Viewer. You are invited to share your feedback in this discussion on MediaWiki.org in any language, to help improve this feature. You are also welcome to take this quick survey in English, en français, o español.

We hope you enjoy Media Viewer. Many thanks to all the community members who helped make it possible. - Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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laptop maintenance[edit]

Does there already exist a wikibook -- or a section of a wikibook -- that lists typical periodic laptop maintenance tasks?

How To Assemble A Desktop PC/Choosing the parts briefly mentions cleaning the screen.

Minimizing Hard Disk Drive Failure and Data Loss/Data Reduction mentions "routine cleanup".

Minimizing Hard Disk Drive Failure and Data Loss/Data Redundancy mentions backups, but I am surprised at its insistence that "having a backup of all their data can be entirely impractical", and its implication that backups must be done manually (rather than, say, scheduling automated backups every night at 1 am).

Where can I find a listing of all the typical periodic laptop maintenance tasks together on one page? If one does not exist, which wikibook would be the most appropriate for starting a rough draft of such a list? --DavidCary (discusscontribs) 06:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there is one... I will see what I can find. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 14:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I introduce myself[edit]

Lafcadio, my username, is from Lafcadio Hearn, who was a famous New Orleanian who edited a cookbook of creole cookery. Subsequently he went to Japan, where he is more famous than here.

I am from a creole family in the country, along river road. I have lived my entire adult life in New Orleans, however, and greatly admire its authentic cuisine, which is often confused with cajun cuisine. Creole cuisine is based on the haute cuisine of France, with the addition of ingredients from the new world and Africa.

I am putting my family recipes in the Wikipedia cookbook, in the hope of preserving them for posterity. Most of these are my mother's recipes, but some are recipes that I have obtained from friends or adapted from cook books, and used for years.

I hope the recipes are not subject to editing, since I am trying to preserve their authenticity. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lafcadio (discusscontribs) 13:52, 16 July 2014

Another introduction[edit]

Hi! I just edited the 8th grade science book, and I was hoping someone could take a look. I generally work on Wikipedia, but I thought to give Wikibooks a try. Nice to meet everyone! JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (discusscontribs) 19:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks good to me; and welcome! QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 13:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

Hello to everyone, I am posting this as I saw a message on profile page to introduce myself. I am medical graduate from India ,currently pursuing PG in Radiology and also preparing for some more exams. I like to untangle the anything that i feel is too complicated to my liking and i good at it (at least that is what my colleagues have told me). Ever I started my med school preps , their were just way too many things to cram in my brain (which shrinks a little every day) , so i started to make jingles out the first alphabets. I will most likely be contributing a lot of my mnemonics to this site and messing with others , and if i ever manage to write a book , it will happen here at Wikibooks. —Preceding unsigned comment by Randjo (discusscontribs) added before 18:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation recently created a new feature, "superprotect" status. The purpose is to prevent pages from being edited by elected administrators -- but permitting WMF staff to edit them. It has been put to use in only one case: to protect the deployment of the Media Viewer software on German Wikipedia, in defiance of a clear decision of that community to disable the feature by default, unless users decide to enable it.

If you oppose these actions, please add your name to this letter. If you know non-Wikimedians who support our vision for the free sharing of knowledge, and would like to add their names to the list, please ask them to sign an identical version of the letter on change.org.

-- JurgenNL (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Process ideas for software development[edit]


Hello,

I am notifying you that a brainstorming session has been started on Meta to help the Wikimedia Foundation increase and better affect community participation in software development across all wiki projects. Basically, how can you be more involved in helping to create features on Wikimedia projects? We are inviting all interested users to voice their ideas on how communities can be more involved and informed in the product development process at the Wikimedia Foundation.

I and the rest of my team welcome you to participate. We hope to see you on Meta.

Kind regards, -- Rdicerb (WMF) talk 22:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Featured books advertisement[edit]

Please remove that featured books advertisement appearing at the top of pages. It has been here for quite a lot of time, it is unproductive (just like the featured books process itself), and it gets increasingly annoying. I must have hidden it multiple times, and it still keeps appearing. From some computers, it is even impossible to hide, for whatever technical reasons. -- Your Wikibooks contributor, Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 17:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. --Good afternoon (discusscontribs) 02:38, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
As I recall, the original plan was to set up a sitenotice like en.wn has most of the time, where there's a set of several community reminders/invitations, and the sitenotice selects one of them randomly. We hoped to have several here, too, but hadn't gotten to more than just that one.
Would a rotating message like that be equally obnoxious to you? (I don't recall every hearing a complaint about it over there, so I wonder if the difference could have to do with the pshychology of the rotating message, which doesn't hit one thing nearly as hard as featured books is being hit here.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dan Polansky, Good afternoon: I'm very interested in understanding this, because I'd been hoping (one of these days, in my copious free time) to put together a rotating set of messages such as en.wn has. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese postage stamp[edit]

Good day! There is article about a bug Anoplophora horsfieldi. Whether it is possible at the end of this article in gallery to place the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --Matsievsky (discusscontribs) 09:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Second question. There is category for bug Anoplophora horsfieldi Category:Anoplophora_horsfieldi. Whether it is possible in this category the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --Matsievsky (discusscontribs) 09:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Depends on whether the image itself is qualified. Artwork on a stamp is certainly intellectual work and would normally be a no-no, but a quick search on the commons shows a lot of stamps in the inventory--but none for Vietnam. You'd be better off posting your question there, and if you have such a photo, asking what the stamp criteria are. A quick browse did find a discussion in a 2007 Village Pump archive about a PD-license template for tagging such, and a few other search links, if read may find more. No mention in the FAQ, so don't bother with that! Try making the post above again on one of these pages. Good luck. // FrankB 21:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

On your second question: a category here wouldn't be useful unless you were writing a book on the subject. But yes, one can be created, speaking technically. However, The images there on the Commons—it's whole purpose is to store media for all Wikimedia projects—can directly be used here simply by adding the page title in a standard wikimarkup image link like this:

[[File:Some image name|thumb|400px|Some Caption|alt=Caption for the vision impaired]],
  • where, the width (400px) and thumb go together.
  • Otherwise the image, if large, will fill the page width.
  • The width is defaulted as well in user preferences, so may be left out.

That's the basics. Good luck again! // Frank FrankB 21:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

        • Thank you very much. Sorry my explanation. The problem is that Vietnamese stamp images haven't free licenze. Matsievsky (discusscontribs) 22:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Grants to improve your project[edit]

Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th. Your idea could improve Wikimedia projects with a new tool or gadget, a better process to support community-building on your wiki, research on an important issue, or something else we haven't thought of yet. Whether you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your own project development time in addition to hiring others to help you.

How do you make a test book?[edit]

Hi everyone! I'm Jonathan. :) I usually make pretty minor edits. I wanted to do something pretty big now (making a new book/reorganizing an old one [Vegan Cuisine]), but I wanted to make sure that I won't be messing up anything, so I thought making a test first, and showing the results if they aren't obviously awful, would be a good idea. Right now it's basically a bunch of links (it's a cookbook, and they seem to normally be like this, although I'm not sure). I want to turn it into a proper book, with each heading a chapter and each recipe a page, and possibly adding reason as to why people eat vegan food, and a history of veganism, plus any other stuff I (and other people who might be interested :)) can think of. Thanks for reading! JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (discusscontribs) 19:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Edit: I feel so silly. I noticed the sandbox button right after submitting this! :)

This is a little bit tricky because of the way the Cookbook works. However, if you are extending it beyond cooking then it might be reasonable to put the content in the main space instead. The book Using Wikibooks is a good introduction to everything you need to know to structure a new book so I'd start by reading that then ask for any further clarification here. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 17:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Jonathan, I believe, you would be able to complete this book. In case you require any assistance, you can contact Xania, or other editors out here. Please feel free to ask anytime. Jai Jinendra. Vishal Bakhai - WorksFlag of India.svg 10:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying to me, everyone! I'll go look at Using Wikibooks and ask for help when I need it. I've kind of decided to get more comfortable here before doing this, and am editing some other books right now to become more comfortable, but this is really appreciated! :) JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (discusscontribs) 18:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)