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Welcome to the General reading room. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about the Wikibooks project in general. For proposals for improving Wikibooks, see the Proposals reading room.

Introducing myself[edit]

Hello to everyone, I am posting this as I saw a message on profile page to introduce myself. I am medical graduate from India ,currently pursuing PG in Radiology and also preparing for some more exams. I like to untangle the anything that i feel is too complicated to my liking and i good at it (at least that is what my colleagues have told me). Ever I started my med school preps , their were just way too many things to cram in my brain (which shrinks a little every day) , so i started to make jingles out the first alphabets. I will most likely be contributing a lot of my mnemonics to this site and messing with others , and if i ever manage to write a book , it will happen here at Wikibooks. —Preceding unsigned comment by Randjo (discusscontribs) added before 10:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome Randjo! Thanks for joining! Make sure to also add the pencil and cursive icon above the editing space after a comment, thanks! --atcovi (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi there I was hoping someone could tell me how to create a new chapter in a discussion page? Thanks. --Scottxit (discusscontribs) 19:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Scottxit. A talk page is made up of sections, subsections, etc. To create a new section on a talk page, there should be a tab up at the top called "add topic" (if you're using vector skin). --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 22:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Pi zero! --Scottxit (discusscontribs) 22:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

Hi , I'm Leaderboard and I currently edit on some computing books , such as http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_Assemble_A_Desktop_PC and Basic Computing Using Windows —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 17:28, 26 October 2014‎

Hello Leaderboard, welcome to Wikibooks! Make sure to insert the pencil with cursive icon above the editing space after your comments, thanks! --atcovi (talk) 01:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

introducing my self[edit]

hallo I'm working on developing and creating pages on Wikipedia and wikibooks such as German [1] hope to be your friend. Junge schuler062 (discusscontribs) 09:36, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Junge schuler, welcome to Wikibooks and thanks for your recent edits! And I'd be more than happy to be your friend :) --atcovi (talk) 01:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Copyright concerns with Wikibooks' suicide instruction manual[edit]

I have started a discussion on Jimbo Wales Wikipedia talk page about some possible copyright issues here. Please see this item. Thanks. Nasal Ant Horn (discusscontribs) 23:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Nasal Ant Horn: If you have concerns about one of the books here, the place to raise those concerns is here, not on Wikipedia. Wikibooks is not part of Wikipedia. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 00:51, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
You are absolutely right. I should have started the discussion here. Now that we're in agreement about that, what do you think we should do about the copyright issue? Nasal Ant Horn (discusscontribs) 04:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I have looked into the linked discussion and couldn't find any copyright issue at best there was a concern that some probable sources to the first repository may lead to copyright issues here (it didn't seem to have raided them so far) but even if we normally act pro-actively to protect the project, the alleged infringement is just that alleged...
Note also that usenet (1980) predates the 1989 adoption of the Berne Convention that requires copyright to be assumed (before it was assumed that if not stated so it was public domain) and even the content on usenet posts may came from other sources or after several iterations to the present state of the content any copyright claim would be null. As such I think there is no issue to be debated around the allegations until someone provides clear factual evidence...
Provide a direct link to plagiarized content that has an incompatible license and we can fix it, even by attempting to contact the copyrights owner. --Panic (discusscontribs) 05:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I did provide one specific example with links to the likely source, did you miss it? For reference, SuicideWiki was not formed until 2013 and this example is from 2011. Nasal Ant Horn (discusscontribs) 16:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Since SuicideWiki has a compatible license any possible infringement of another source copyright regarding their licensed content is their domain and liability. We could only act after they are established as infringing the law (pro-actively, by copyright owner's request or under a legal order from a court). Since your concerns involve their licensed content you should first act on that, there.
One thing that has become abundant clear and strange is that you are not claiming ownership over any content that was used and so I question the motivation why you are putting efforts in challenging or policing the licensed content, going beyond simple legal concern or curiosity. This "strangeness" is already pointed out on the first discussion. --Panic (discusscontribs) 18:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikibooks only accepts freely licensed content. There's nothing "strange" about someone pointing out that the content appears to be a copyright violation. You entirely wrong in saying that SuicideWiki's terms somehow exempt Wikibooks from any responsibility or liability. You are also entirely wrong in saying that no action needs to be undertaken until SuicideWiki is found legally liable. Perhaps someone from teh Wikibooks community with more knowledge of copyright will speak up or act. Until then, I'll stick to asking the question on Wikipedia. Nasal Ant Horn (discusscontribs) 22:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Per Panic2k4, it would be much easier to act on this if you link the page that uses the content and link the site you say it was taken from. It is certainly not implausible that SuicideWiki obtained proper permission for reuse of Usenet announcements that were previously distributed free to a large audience, and without a more specific allegation, I don't see why Wikibooks would need to second-guess their copyright decisions. Every source from which content is licensed may or may not be lying about it, and it is impossible to pedigree every word of every one of them; however, it is possible to investigate a specific instance. Wnt (discusscontribs) 00:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
It looks like some or all of the content came from SuicideWiki. SuicideWiki had a cc-by-sa license. Under the terms of that license, the original authors need to be properly credited. Right now, they aren't. There's the additional question of the sources used for the information in SuicdeWiki. I've given you one example which appears to show plagarism. The links are in the original message. This really isn't complicated. Nasal Ant Horn (discusscontribs) 05:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Again this is not the place to advance your views of any problem with the content at SuicideWiki. I have told you that I haven't seen any relevant issue to our project (or Wikipedia or Wikimedia for that matter) in the points you raised. More since this has been a discussion dear to me here on this project, authorship is not simply attributed (one does not add names to credit others), it must be claimed (one signs what one is responsible for and claims rights over). --Panic (discusscontribs) 06:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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We should remove the questionable duplicate content, if someone is ever interested in developing this text they can recreate, or properly import the information with attribution. Thenub314 (talk) 20:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #10—2014[edit]

18:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

It's so sad to see this sort of thing being designed and implemented by folks who are intrinsically unable to have insight into wiki-ness; there's no possibility that anything good can come of an organizational structure where those who create the software are insulated from direct understanding, and those with direct understanding are insulated from the development process (no "feedback" system can come within orders of magnitude of compensating for that organizational structure). It can only progressively poison the wiki movement. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
I just want to say that I actually like VisualEditor. It makes editing Wikibooks far more enjoyable for me. Honestly, I don't quite get the widespread anger over it. If you don't like it, just turn it off! (I know of no plans to make VE mandatory; if you know differently, please let me know.) Elitre, keep up the good work! SupremeUmanu (discusscontribs) 22:52, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor is confusing to me. It makes it complicated to insert templates. --atcovi (talk) 00:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Extra period in the license text[edit]

There's an extra period in the license text in the footer (marked with yellow in the quote: "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License.; additional terms may apply."), is it possible to remove it somehow or is it intended? --Cic (discusscontribs) 22:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Hopi surnames[edit]

As I was doing housekeeping on the character name appendices to the Writing Adolescent Fiction wikibook, I discovered someone had deleted all the Hopi surnames on the Writing_Adolescent_Fiction/Character_names/Native_American page. Someone identified only as an ISP of 172.190.235.223 left the edit summary "(→‎Hopi surnames: I have deleted this list. Hopi last names are very specific to very small family units. It is not proper to list them in this manner for public use. ~~)".

Is this a sufficient reason to leave an ethnic group's surnames out of this wikibook, especially when it leaves one ethnicity out of all the ethnicities in the world completely listless? I wanted to revert this edit and put the names back in, but I'd like the community's input first. Cilantrohead (discusscontribs) 11:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

My advice is to be bold, but leave a discussion on the talk page as to your point of view. Hoepfully if someone disagrees that can start a discussion, and a consensus can be found. Thenub314 (talk) 20:03, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Translation from de.wikibooks[edit]

Hey guys, I noted there's currently no cookbook article on Spaghetti aglio e olio, however the German-language Wikibooks has one. How do you deal with translations from one language to another? AFAICS there's no way to import from other Wikibooks. Thank you, --The Evil IP address (discusscontribs) 11:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

You can copy / paste it here as long as you add the permalink URL in the revision summary text, on the talk page or somewhere else where it is visible. It is possible to import from de.wikibooks, you just need to ask a Steward as they have the importupload right that enables this. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 11:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Wishing to somewhat depopulate Category:Annotated Republic of China Laws[edit]

As I am the primary editor of Annotated Republic of China Laws, please advise if any template will automatically categorize pages based on its subpages, like Annotated Republic of China Laws/Copyright Act. Template:BookCat is useful, but I prefer deeper categories rather than overpopulating Category:Annotated Republic of China Laws, so I ask. Thanks.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 03:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

{{BookCat}} has an option filing=deep, which may be of interest to you. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your answer. I will reorganize the pages soon.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 04:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on my funding proposal to work with UNESCO[edit]

Hi all

I’m looking for feedback and endorsement for my Wikimedia Foundation PEG grant to be Wikimedian in Residence at UNESCO. I’d very much appreciate if you would have a look, the most relevant objective to Wikibooks is:

2. Make content from the archives of UNESCO and its partners available on Wikimedia projects: This project will facilitate the upload of 30,000 images, audio files, videos, data and other content to Wikimedia projects from UNESCO archives (24,000 images), UNESCO Institute for Statistics (UIS) and other sources including 10 organisations changing their content license to be Wikimedia compatible.

I'm very much hoping that UNESCO and it's partners will contribute to Wikibooks as part of the project, possibly by contributing existing material they have developed, I think Wikipedia Zero will be an amazing opportunity for them to share their resources with underserved communities.

I ran a pilot project that resulted in the images found in Commons category Images from the archive of UNESCO, here are a few examples:

If you think this is a worthwhile project please click this link and click the endorse button.

Many thanks

Mrjohncummings (discusscontribs) 23:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Introducing myself[edit]

I am allixpeeke (discusscontribs) 13:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome Allixpeeke, welcome to Wikibooks :) --atcovi (talk) 01:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2015[edit]

18:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata is coming[edit]

Hi everyone :)

I am Wikidata's product manager. I wanted to reach out to you about Wikidata support for Wikibooks. Wikidata stores structured data for Wikimedia projects (and others). For example , things like the date of birth of a famous author or the height of a mountain are stored by Wikidata. We are giving access to this data for all Wikimedia projects step by step. It is now Wikibooks' turn. As a first step you will be able to maintain your interwiki links on Wikidata. This means you will no longer have to store them in the article text of each language. Instead they are stored just once on Wikidata together with all the other projects. (You will still be able to store them in the article text if you really want to but then they overwrite the links coming from Wikidata. Sometimes that is useful.) This first step should happen on February 24th. In the next step you will get access to all the other data on Wikidata. There is no ETA on that yet.

I am looking forward to having you join the Wikidata family! If you have any questions please don't hesitate to reach out to me. There is a special page for you on Wikidata that will hopefully help you and is a good place to ask questions: d:Wikidata:Wikibooks.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 19:41, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

See also: Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals#How Wikidata will handle Wikibooks interwikis. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Raising awarness about Reviewing Pages[edit]

Hey all!

I'm just going to post that some people could try helping us with Special:PendingChanges. "Special:PendingChanges" is a tool which shows list of edits needing reviews/checked. I've already gotten through a lot of pages. Some of these pages date back to 9 months ago. Please make sure you're not blindly accepting changes, since we need people who have the reviewer rights to review these pages, if you find something confusing you, please post it here for the community to answer you.

Thanks. --atcovi (talk) 23:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Special:UnreviewedPages refers to pages that have never been reviewed. Special:PendingChanges is for those previously reviewed but with an edit awaiting approval. It is the latter that needs the focus. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 09:06, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes^ I'm pretty bad at explaining things usually tho. Thanks btw. --atcovi (talk) 12:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
If you find a page that needs to be reviewed , do not hesitate to contact any reviewer or admin.(or simply reply here).--Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 06:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Helping with pending changes, or with unreviewed pages, is similar to the sort of thing suggested by en.wn's rotating sitemessage — except that it would have to be suggested only to reviewers, and afaik atm that can't be determined without javascript. (I've wondered if we could put together a nontrivial list of suggestions for things to do, for a rotating sitenotice here spiritually akin to en.wn's — but, when we had a sitenotice a few months back that suggested contributing to the Featured Book discussions, it apparently didn't generate any activity there and one user objected strenuously because for some reason they couldn't dismiss the sitenotice so it was there all the time on every page view.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I've always found that Wikibooks:Maintenance is a useful location for seeing what needs doing but it's a pity that we can't have targeted site notices which would be seen only by certain users such as a note about outstanding pages to be reviewed for reviewers and the site notice about the Steward elections only visible to those who qualify to vote. Over the past 6 months it seems thsast more people are reviewing pages which have pending edits needing reviewed which is good. The number of those which have never been reviewed is too big to even contemplate doing anything about.--ЗAНИA Flag of the Isle of Mann.svgtalk 16:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Epub[edit]

Is there a reason that Wikibooks doesn't offer Epub downloads, when Wikisource and Wikivoyage do? Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 14:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

As the first likely explanation that comes to mind, how about "nobody's made it happen"? One could imagine more technical explanations, but Occam's razor doesn't favor doing so. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 18:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, how do we make it happen? Pigsonthewing (discusscontribs) 21:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Wikisource is implemented via a Labs hosted tool - it isn't part of the MediaWiki software. The tool only supports Wikisource by default. The easiest route would be to request a Wikibooks version from the tool owner or get someone who can code to clone it (it's open source). It's maintained by Tpt. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 08:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Added Archive page for class projects[edit]

Hi ,

I've cleaned up the main class project and moved them to an archive page. This helps keep it clean(over 44 projects before , dating to 2007). --Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 14:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


Wikidata support for interwiki links is here[edit]

Hey everyone :)

(Sorry for writing in English. It'd be great if someone could translate where appropriate.)

As previously announced we have enabled interwiki links via Wikidata for Wikibooks last night. This means from now on you no longer have to maintain the links in the wikitext but can maintain them together with the links for Wikipedia, Commons, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikinews and Wikiquote on Wikidata. You will still be able to keep them locally though if you want to. Local interwiki links will overwrite the ones from Wikidata. If you don't want any interwiki links from Wikidata on a particular page you can use the magic word {{noexternallanglinks}}.

You do not yet have access to the other data on Wikidata like the date of birth of an author. That will come in a future deployment. I will let you know when I have a date for it.

If you have any questions d:Wikidata:Wikibooks is a good first step. That is also a good place for any issues or bugs you encounter.

I'm very happy to welcome you all to Wikidata! I hope it will become a great help for Wikibooks.

Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 07:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Did we even allow these guys to remove our interwiki links?[edit]

I know they told us that they'll be doing it, but did we actually tell them ok? Aren't we suppose to be reverting edits that remove our interwiki then? --72.84.233.224 (discuss) 20:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

To add on to what I said here^ Pi zero has even notified some of these users who remove our interwiki links about the discussion that is currently going on in the Proposal. Users like Ruzwig just seem to ignore this notification. What are we suppose to do? --atcovi (talk) 20:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I am sysop in russian Wikibooks. Why my last edits is wrong? Oleg3280 (discusscontribs) 20:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Because there has been no agreement by the Wikibooks Community on allowing people to remove interwiki links. --atcovi (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

[Global proposal] m.Wikibooks.org: (all) Edit pages[edit]

MediaWiki mobile

Hi, this message is to let you know that, on domains like en.m.wikipedia.org, unregistered users cannot edit. At the Wikimedia Forum, where global configuration changes are normally discussed, a few dozens users propose to restore normal editing permissions on all mobile sites. Please read and comment!

Thanks and sorry for writing in English, Nemo 22:32, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

IRL classmate awaiting my offer to come join Wikibooks![edit]

Hey all! :) Today I’m planning on bringing a new user to Wikibooks, a sixth grade classmate of mines! As of you know, most 11/12 year olds are usually clumsy, and usually don’t mean well. But hopefully she will be more than happy to come. I’m planning on helping her set an account, and letting her read our policies. She doesn’t have that good grammar as normal people here at Wikibooks, so that’s going to be quite a problem. But hopefully that’ll be fixed up soon. All I’m asking is for the admins to use their tools wisely and be patient with her, and the rest of the users.

Back in 2010, when I joined. I was a clueless, very young, editor who was blocked for wrong behavior I didn’t know that was wrong. I was a clueless nooby, but now today I’m currently helping out Wikibooks and Wikiversity and patrolling more than 100 WMF wikis for vandalism. I remember one person, who was in support of me, said that young children were the “future” of WMF. Maybe this user could be as well? I don’t know, but I’m hoping so.

I hope for her to accept this, this could help her academically. I’m still awaiting her acceptance, since I’m going to talk to her about this stuff atm. Thanks all for reading. --atcovi (talk) 00:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem , let her come! Thanks for informing.--Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 10:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)