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Welcome to the General reading room. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about the Wikibooks project in general. For proposals for improving Wikibooks, see the Proposals reading room.

Help test offline Wikipedia[edit]

Hello! The Reading team at the Foundation is looking to support readers who want to take articles offline to read and share later on their phones - a use case we learned about from deep research earlier this year. We’ve built a few prototypes and are looking for people who would be interested in testing them. If you’d like to learn more and give us feedback, check out the page on Meta! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Article creation wizard discussion[edit]

Hi all,

This proposal suggests WMF to fund the writing of an article creation wizard at Wikipedia, but with enough interest it may -- or may it not? -- be expanded to write an article creation wizards framework or library for use at non-Wikipedia wikis, such as here. If desired, please join the discussion before December 12. (I've sent this message to English wikis; I ask you to deliver it to non-English wikis, if you can. Even delivering it in English there may be better than nothing.)

  • What tools do we use here, now, to make article creation easier for newbies?
  • What requirements do we have for a potential implementation?
  • How would you like to inform the people of the article creation perks and difficulties on this wiki?
  • What else needs to be considered?

Thanks. --Gryllida 03:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I've always suspected this problem — which I hope to tackle with assistants based on wikidialog — will be especially difficult on Wikibooks because we don't just create articles, we create books, and every book is different; it's as if Wikibooks is really thousands of different microprojects, banding together for a common administrative infrastructure but each with its own idiosyncrasies. (Making Wikibooks an idea place to explore the potential of wikidialog, of course.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

New way to edit wikitext[edit]

James Forrester (Product Manager, Editing department, Wikimedia Foundation) --19:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

New template to replace magic words[edit]

Template:ISBN I have ported over w:Template:ISBN and w:Module:Check isxn from en.wp. Magic words as links are being phased out and although we don't have to replace all instances of them now, they will all be removed from MediaWiki in 2017. See mw:Requests_for_comment/Future_of_magic_links. We have about 1,350 entries in Category:Pages using ISBN magic links. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:30, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Any bot could find these space or carriage return delimiters:
  1. "ISBN ([0-9]*)( |\n)" -> "{{ISBN|$1}}$2"
  2. "PMID ([0-9]*)( |\n)" -> "{{PMID|$1}}$2"
  3. "RFC ([0-9]*)( |\n)" -> "{{RFC|$1}}$2"
JackPotte (discusscontribs) 00:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@JackPotte: Correct. I just figured I would alert the community in case others weren't aware. I can easily do it myself. Do you think I should? —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
In one week after this message the consensus will be made. JackPotte (discusscontribs) 11:57, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Appearance of categories[edit]

Please change The way that categories have been restructured here is probably fine semantically but I have to say that it is garish and almost unusable. I don't know why it was rearranged to look the way it does but the subcategories stretching across the entire page makes category pages much larger than they need to be, the tiny roll-over text when I go to click is hostile to users (and probably very difficult for some users with medical conditions to even click), and there is a curious side effect of some kind of transclusion so that undesirable effects happen to categories. E.g. Category:Remembering the Templars transcludes the mammoth 300% text from the title page. I've been encountering problems with this layout for several weeks now and I can't imagine that I'm the only one. I'd like to request that the styling be changed to something more akin to every other WMF project and that someone review the manner that {{book category header}}/{{BookCat}} transcludes unwanted information. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:08, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

The wiki software is severely misdesigned, which said, it is possible to apply a patch to the book page to fix it. I've just done that for Remembering the Templars. It will likely be necessary to redesign {{BookCat}} to avoid the issue, but for now I've been applying the patch to book pages as necessary.

The problem is this: {{BookCat}} when used on a book-category page extracts category information from the main page of the book, and it then discards everything else from the main page of the book. But, the wiki software is misdesigned so that certain things from the transcluded page are applied to the transcluding page even though the transcluded text is discarded. This is true of footnotes (which, fortunately, most wikibooks don't use), and, as you point out, it's evidently also also true of the DISPLAYTITLE magic word. I see it as part of the Foundation's war on wiki markup that they would build in this perverse behavior that interferes with freely transcluding wiki pages; but, I take it for granted the Foundation doesn't care about wiki markup, even though it's one of the key elements that makes the sisterhood work. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Pi zero: I knew you would see this. I have seen this transclusion problem before--in point of fact, I found this because these categories are all in a tracking category (Category:Pages_using_ISBN_magic_links), in spite of not having the actual code in them to add them to said category. Likewise, something need to be done about the styling and the weird way that the font contracts upon focus. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:04, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Um. Could you give examples of what these problems? --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: If you go to any category--e.g. Category:Remembering the Templars--and when you hover over the divs for either a subcategory or the "More Recent Additions/Modifications" table, then the text changes size for some reason. Why? It makes it so that when I go to click, the text runs away from my mouse. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:43, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Also, this is the only project where Special:Notifications doesn't have a drop-down menu but takes me to a new page, even if all the scripts have loaded on the page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: As best I can tell, the two things you're describing — the text size and the notifications thing — don't happen for me. Could be something odd about your preferences here? (Notifications works for me the same way here as on other projects.) --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 18:04, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Are you serious? That is so weird. What skin are you using? I have Monobook. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:10, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Monobook for me also. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:36, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: These problems sound like exactly what I was getting the other day here. It turned out to be a JS error in a gadget, which was stopping the rest of the page's JS from loading. Do you get any errors in your browser's JS console? Try turning off all gadgets and see if the problem goes away. Sam Wilson 22:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Samwilson:, @Pi zero: I had the Gadget for "Color-Coded Categories" turned on and that's it. Thanks guys. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:31, 6 January 2017 (UTC)