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Do we really need FlaggedRevs?[edit source]

I know that's kind of a "central" part of Wikibooks, but for mainspace articles, I'm seeing it as unnecessary. The reason is that by default, we set mainpage articles to show the latest revision by default, which means that there isn't any benefit for the average user. The exception is for the Wikijunior namespace, where we set the default version as the last reviewed one, and I think FlaggedRevs is useful there.

My proposal would hence be to discontinue use of FlaggedRevs on the mainspace - I don't see it as a particularly useful benefit here and personally only causes unnecessary overhead. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 11:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping it is highly desirable imho, yes. There's a vast amount of sorting-out-of-what-isn't-vandalism contained in the revision state of pages. The information expressed by a review of a single revision of a page would be difficult to reproduce (the judgments involved are highly context-dependent, so one has to immerse oneself in the specific situation-as-was to figure one what was going on), and when you multiply that by the number of pages involved the cumulative value is staggering. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Highly desirable per Pi zero. I've done a fair bit of anti-vandalism work, and I find it invaluable to do so; since I don't have many pages on my watchlist its my main tool. Without FlaggedRevs I think that I would have difficulty in maintaining this work, as no other tools exist that I know of that would take its place. Sure you could use Special:RecentChanges, but it would be a lot harder to sort the pages. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 19:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Contents update[edit source]

Hi, I've made a major update to Help:Contents. I've been bold and updated the page already, but if I get any strong objections I'll revert pending discussions.

Anyway its like creating a "one stop shop" on help and project pages, as it contains a good many. It also should contain all the basics on using Wikibooks, whether you want to read books or contributed.

Technical details: although the content is my own, the design is based upon wikipedia:Help:Contents. It uses CSS for two columns; it also uses CSS flexbox, which means it should render as a single column on low resolution screens such as smartphones. On obsolete browsers not supporting flexbox it will still render, although it could be a single column.

Anyway, any feedback would be nice. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 22:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! I don't see any issues with it and it does look more appealing than previous versions. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 23:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, this is a nice update from before. Didn't even know that this page existed. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 07:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enabling blocking in abuse filter[edit source]

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Start allowing game strategies[edit source]

Proposal[edit source]

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Discussion[edit source]

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Implementation[edit source]

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Draft policy created[edit source]

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A question about copyright[edit source]

Btw, is map art in Minecraft under free use? Can they be uploaded to wikimedia commons? In case you don’t know, in Minecraft you can create art by placing blocks on the ground in a certain area and then use a map to map this area. This has many applications. This has many applications and I’m interested to know if it also has to be uploaded to Wikibooks because it’s technically the creation of the guy who draws the map art. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 13:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gifnk dlm 2020: I don't think so, no. If "map art" involves objects and assets from Minecraft itself, then that would not be free use (in general, unless the non-free elements can be cropped out). However, if it's just a drawing solely by the author, that would qualify. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 14:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard:, I see. Thank you very much! I think that it’s ok to upload to Wikibooks because if I cropped out the surrounding how would I prove that it’s a screenshot from Minecraft and not just something from MS-Paint. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 14:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Back on this topic, if we want to make the "open-source" video game guide, what if we needed to uses game art of the game itself? I believe we couldn't just upload to Wikimedia Commons ?
Note: It shouldn't be a problem for Open Source Game like [[ https://www.unixmen.com/gaming-on-linux1131-19-awesome-opensource-games-for-linux/ ]] but I meant for commercial close sourced games ? Asked by Encik Tekateki (discusscontribs) 00:36, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Encik Tekateki: yes it is a bit tricky, as Commons isn't really an option, unless you go the c:Commons:OTRS route or create your own images.
However we are discussing a new non-free media policy below; see the draft at Wikibooks:Media/sandbox. It is pretty well inline with that of Wikipedia, and video game articles there often have non-free media illustrating them, which is allowed within policy. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 01:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
May we record the chess moves from the automatic demonstrations by the computer with regard to copyright? So many video games feature chess and its variants like Chinese chess. If yes, maybe the notations from the computer playing both sides will aid studying.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 00:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be okay personally, though I presume you're referring to chess moves given out by the computer when playing against someone else? Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 07:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the moves by computer vs. computer, like a sample in Star Wars Chess.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 02:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that can be copyrighted, correct me if I'm wrong. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 07:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This seems correct, see see this recent judgement. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 08:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for the valuable information that encourages studying chess.--Jusjih (discusscontribs) 05:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Collections of Wikibooks about video games[edit source]

Btw, if I make a collection of a wikibook about video game strategies, and the book contains fair use images, can I also use a fair use image as the cover image of the book? Because I think that a screenshot of the game would work best as a cover image but maybe that’s not allowed, idk. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 08:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gifnk dlm 2020: as far as I'm aware, Collections is pretty well defunct. It was basically a way of collecting a book or several books together to create a downloadable PDF for offline use. That capability is broken at the moment, although it may be possible to order a paid printed copy of books (at least, you can do that at Wikiedia). --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd:, thank you very much for the reply! It’s possible to order collections as printed books also in Wikibooks (I never did but I looked on the previews). But it has some issues, for example this collection about roblox game development contains a quinze in it (can be seen here, and in the preview it shows just the mediawiki code that was used to create this quiz not the quiz itself. This made me wonder if the same problems happen when creating pdf versions, but back to topic - my original question is can I use fair use images in the title page of the pdf version? 😅 If not, can I at lease use them in the pdf file itself? Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 15:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: Wikibooks:Collections/ROBLOX Game Development links to pages in the Roblox Game Development and Lua Programming. Things like quizzes aren't functional in PDF versions (as far as I know). As far as I'm aware, rules for online and PDF versions are identical with respect to images and everything else; but its best not to use non-free media in title pages, as it may go against the rules. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:03, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd:, I see. I don’t think that quizzes are supposed to be “functional” in pdf versions (functional in the sense that they actually work - a pdf version is meant for printing if someone wanted an “interactive” experience, they would read the original book in Wikibooks. I do however expect them to render properly, I want the readers to see a box with the questions and the answers and not <quiz display="simple"> {What is ROBLOX? |type="[]"} + A website where the content is produced by users (a user-generated website) || Almost all of the content on the ROBLOX website is produced by users. This includes assets in the catalog, content such as comments, forum posts, group wall posts and so on, and also games. - A website that gives information on a particular topic (an informational website) + A platform for developing games (a game development platform) || ROBLOX can be used as a game development platform because users can use the ROBLOX game engine to develop games. + A website for hosting games (a game host) || Games that use the ROBLOX engine can be hosted on ROBLOX..
I think you see what I mean. For copyright purposes, this is the link to the permanent revision from which I took this question (from my understanding I must link to it otherwise it’s copyright infringement). That’s the sort of thing that the collection creator does so I was wandering if pdf versions have the same problem. Again, I don’t expect an interactive quiz in pdf only an image of how it looks like in Wikibooks. Thank in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 16:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd: and @Gifnk dlm 2020:, I think the PDF version of a book isn't too different from taking a print version of any book and saving that to PDF. With that in mind, I think it's OK to have non-free images for a PDF version. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 17:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard: and@Gifnk dlm 2020: I was talking about the title page. For the book mentioned, the title page is Roblox Game Development, and there is no image. But if you were creating a Minecraft title page, one solution would be to use something fromc:Category:Minecraft. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd: Even for the title page, I think it is reasonable to assume that the fair-use image is useful, as it "identifies" the book. Hence I am personally inclined to think that this usage is fine. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 17:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard: well you could be right. But erring on the side of caution, it might be best to use a free image if available. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:51, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd, Leaderboard: From what I see, c:category:Minecraft has many good images that can be used for title pages. c:category:Roblox has much less images and most of them are not suitable for being on a title page. the pdf version of the book about Mandarin has an image on the title page while Chinese (Mandarin)/Print version doesn’t. And when I asked about using fair use images in title pages I meant is there a policy that forbids that. Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 18:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: No, I'm not aware of such a policy (one that explicitly blocks fair-use images in PDF versions) Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 18:59, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard:, thank you very much! I heard that in Wikipedia there’s a policy that doesn’t allow fair use images as cover images of books but maybe I’m mistaken. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 21:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: I am not aware of such a rule (also I am not sure what "cover images of books" would mean for Wikipedia because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, unlike Wikibooks). Regardless, I think you'll be fine from a Wikibooks perspective. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 07:16, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard:, I meant w:Book:The Simpsons episodes and other similar books. They are collections of different Wikipedia articles and if I’m not mistaken I think there’s a rule that forbids the usage of fair use images as the cover image, but I could be wrong. If you press on the cover image of this book you will see that it’s in public domain because it doesn’t meet the “Threshold of originality”. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 09:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Walkthroughs[edit source]

Ou the new policy that can be found at Wikibooks:Strategy guides only discusses strategy guides so I was wandering are walkthroughs still not allowed? Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 14:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gifnk dlm 2020: What are the differences? I presume walkthroughs would be describing the journey of a game? Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 15:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard:, exactly. After seeing your comment, I researched a bit more into the difference between a strategy and a walkthrough, and in w:Strategy guide, it’s written: “Strategy guides are instruction books that contain hints or complete solutions to specific video games. The line between strategy guides and walkthroughs is somewhat blurred, with the former often containing or being written around the latter. Strategy guides are often published in print, both in book form and also as articles within video game magazines. In cases of exceptionally popular game titles, guides may be sold through more mainstream publication channels, such as bookstores or even newsstands. Some publishers also sell E-Book versions on their websites.”. In w:Video game walkthrough it’s written: “A video game walkthrough is a guide aimed towards improving a player's skill within a particular video game and often designed to assist players in completing either an entire video game or specific elements. Walkthroughs may alternatively be set up as a playthrough, where players record themselves playing through a game and upload or live-stream it to the internet. Walkthroughs may be considered guides on helping to enhance the experience of players, to assist towards unlocking game achievements or simply as a means to socialise with like-minded individuals as a distraction from everyday life.”. When asking this question I didn’t realize they were so similar to each other. I thought that strategy guides and walkthroughs are entirely different - with strategy guides only giving strategies and walkthroughs just giving a step by step tutorial without explaining why this is the best way and without giving multiple ways. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 15:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: I always intended it to describe walkthroughs as well as strategy guides, so I have amended the lead to make this clear. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you added the words “and walkthroughs”. Thank you every much! (btw, to y’all wandering I didn’t ping him because I thanked him using the thanks log and I think it’s spam to also ping here.) -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 21:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A question about game notability and screenshots[edit source]

Hi, been a long time since the last message was posted here, but I have a question regarding a wikibook I would like to start working on. I have been thinking recently about a wikibook about Fireboy and Watergirl, and I have two questions. The first is wether or not this game is notable? I have found several reviews (1, 2, 3, 4, and much more). Is this enough to show that the game is notable? Another question is about screenshots. The way I envision the book is that every chapter will be about a certain level in the game and will contain at least one screenshot of this level (sometimes more is necessary) and a guide on the different ways to pass this level. I have created the book Minecraft resource gathering but since I’m a bit busy I didn’t have the time to make screenshots for the book. Since Fireboy and Watergirl can be played in the browser I think I will be able to start working on this book right now theoretically. But does such book follow the guidelines? Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 14:43, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gifnk dlm 2020: hi. My feelings is that the game has a reasonable appearances of significance, particularly on the basis of the Australian Council on Children and the Media. For your second question, the main question to ask yourself is about this from WB:FU: Contextual significance. Non-free media are used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in question, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. In other words, avoid decorative usage, the image should help with understanding of the topic. Post the minimum number of images to convey this, and include a rationale for usage each time. Also, try to keep the resolution below 800*600. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your screenshot proposal looks OK. WB:FU is meant to prevent unnecessary use of non-free images; if you think it's needed, go ahead. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 18:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd, Leaderboard:, thank you very much! I don’t think there’s any way to describe the levels in Fireboy and Watergirl without showing screenshots of them, and if the screenshots end up being more than 800*600 (which I hardly believe will happen) I will rescale it. But what do you mean by including the rationale each time? Should I write with each image that I upload a justification to why this image is necessary? If yes, then how should I word this justification? Is there any example that I can follow? Thanks in advance -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 19:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: see WB:UPLOAD point 5: you need to include the {{non-free use rationale}} template for each use of the file, which must be filled with a rationale for "Why a book or module requires the use of this media". --Jules (Mrjulesd) 20:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd:, I see. Can you send an example of a file with non free rational so that I can get a better idea of what should be written? Thanks in advance. P.S. I’m so used to Middle English Wikipedia that I want to type Wp/enm/Ping instead of ping every time. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 20:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: see any of the files listed at Category:Non-free files, there are literally hundreds of files you can look at. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 20:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I think I understand what should be written. I will start work on this book in the coming days. Thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 14:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd:, sorry, I forgot to ping you. Thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 14:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrjulesd, Leaderboard: can I upload an image that is 922*486 pixels or do I need to resize it? 922*486=453438 and 800*600=480000 so technically 922*486<800*600. I just wanted to makes sure that it’s not against Wikibooks policies. Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 10:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: It's OK, the limit is an advisory for a reason after all. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 10:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard: thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 10:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A question about game manuals[edit source]

Hey, I've recently joined, and would like to aid the games section by adding game manuals from various systems. Would game manuals fall under copyright, and would they even be allowed in the games section? Thank you in advance. -LocalHOI2Fan (discusscontribs) 14:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LocalHOI2Fan: What do you mean by "game manuals"? Do you mean the official documentation from the game manufacturer? Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 19:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard The manuals included with games that are sold physically (or sometimes included digitally) that include information on the games, (such as how to play them, online functionality, etc.) without typically giving the information a strategy guide or walkthrough would. -LocalHOI2Fan (discusscontribs) 14:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC) LocalHOI2Fan (discusscontribs) 19:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@LocalHOI2Fan: In that case, the documentation itself must be under a valid license (that is, it cannot be fair-use). Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 07:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard: So if I were to add game manuals, I would need to provide proof of owning the game and the manual? LocalHOI2Fan (discusscontribs) 15:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@LocalHOI2Fan:, a valid licence doesn’t mean owning or not owning the game. What Leaderboard meant is the copyright of the manual. If you create something you automatically own it and people can’t copy and distribute it without your permission. If the developers of the game wrote that they allow all people to distribute it then you can upload it but I think Wikisource would be a more appropriate place for this. Fair use refers to a way to distribute copyrighted stuff legally under certain restrictions if it’s (you are allowed to quote few sentences in order to write a review for example). Most likely it’s copyrighted because the copyright even of the earliest games hasn’t expired yet. Still worth it to check about the specific game you want. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 16:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, correct me if I’m wrong, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 12:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did I upload properly[edit source]

Hi, I have just uploaded File:Fireboy watergirl forest temple levels.png. Did I do it properly? And the author should be the one who created the screenshot, right? Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 11:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mrjulesd, Leaderboard: sorry I forgot to ping. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 11:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gifnk dlm 2020: Yes and yes. Looks fine to me. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 11:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Leaderboard: thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (discusscontribs) 12:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turning Wikibooks:Global_rights_policy into an official policy[edit source]

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New reply tool and VisualEditor[edit source]

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Is Wikibooks:Media#Non-free use to restrictive?[edit source]

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Add autopatrol to Wikibooks:Autoreviewed_users[edit source]

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importupload for Wikibooks[edit source]

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Proposal to update Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office with Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office/sandbox[edit source]

I've been working on a new page for Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office, which I have created at Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office/sandbox. Its rather more detailed, and it combines elements of Wikibooks Stacks/Departments with that of the present page.

When visitors first visit the site, the most likely way they're going to search is by going to "browse" on the left sidebar. Hopefully this page will be more engaging and give a better sense of where to find content than the current page. Any views are most welcome. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 11:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 12:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Leaderboard:. Another thing I was thinking of doing was to raise Shelf:Recreational activities to Department:Recreational activities. It seems to me that this is the most popular shelf in Department:Miscellaneous, so it makes sense to give it more prominence. I've been studying the Wikibooks Stacks a fair bit, and I think it is actually very easy. I think what you need to do is:
  1. Update Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office.
  2. Create: "Department: Recreational activities" and "Category:Department:Recreational activities" with the relevant templates
  3. "Shelf:Recreational activities", "Shelf:Collecting", "Shelf:Games", "Shelf:Outdoor recreation", "Shelf:Physical fitness", "Shelf:Tourism", "Shelf:Arts and crafts": migrate parent=Miscellaneous to parent=Recreational activities
  4. "Shelf:Athletic games", "Shelf:Board games", "Shelf:Card games", "Shelf:Electronic games", "Shelf:Game design" are already subshelves of Games, so wont need migration.
  5. Rebuild these shelves through purging.
Any thoughts? If it didn't work it would be easy to reverse. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine to me. Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 10:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update on my work[edit source]

I have made some changes that I would like to advertise:

As a general point, I'm learning more about Wikibooks Stacks, although I don't fully understand it I'm getting more aware of how it can be manipulated. I think I might manipulate Stacks further, I am concerned about smartphone rendering on pages. I imagine many users are put off by this, as most users today use mobile devices to access websites.

Any comments are welcome. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 23:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove flood flag from own account[edit source]

What do you think about the suggestion to give a user who has the flood flag the permission to remove it from his own account? This way users could remove the flood flag themselves when they are done and not have to ask a bureaucrat for doing so. Regards --Zabe (discusscontribs) 12:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Zabe: sysops can remove the flood flag from their own account when they are done, and hence there is no need to ask a bureaucrat (who can still remove the flood flag from anyone if needed). Is there something I'm missing? Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 12:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for new Main Page[edit source]

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Eager inexperienced editors[edit source]

Since the beginning of the year the Oberon book has received the attention of two eager but inexperienced editors. Scanning interactively or by automation, small syntax errors were found and within 24 hours, several pages were edited. In most cases the changes were helpful. Closing an open tag, adding the BookCat template at the bottom of a page & etc. In a few cases damage occurred. For example </div> was added at the end of a heading when it belonged at the end of the page. Consequently the default font of the page became the Wikimedia default rather than the font attribute in the opening <div ...>.

One such edit is easily reviewed and approved or corrected. When a dozen or more edits occur in 24 hours, review, with correction of erroneous edits, can become a sizeable burden.

Regrettably in my two cases, explaining the difficulties resulted in the editors reverting all of their edits. Not a good outcome. Currently I can imagine two possibilities to improve the circumstances.

(1) Protect pages.

(2) When an editor is new to a book, require an interval between edits. For example, after a first edit to a book, require at least a week before a 2nd edit is allowed. As edits accumulate, the interval can decrease.

In my view, administration required for protection is excessive. The interval between edits seems a workable possibility. What other ideas are there?

Regards, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 13:45, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@PeterEasthope: I've got a counter-proposal; how about fixing the lint errors on your book? The reasons you're geting these problems (as far as I can see) is that the book has lint errors, meaning that well-meaning but maybe inexperienced editors try to fix them, but cause problems in doing so. See Special:LintErrors for the special page; there are also help pages at mw:Help:Extension:Linter and w:Wikipedia:Linter. If you get stuck, please ask at Wikibooks:Reading room/Technical Assistance. If you fix the lint errors then things might sort themselves out. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, will learn to use the lint tools, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 15:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but do ask if you need help. For example, to check the lint errors for a particular page, go to page and click on the "Page information" link on the tools section of the left sidebar. If there are any lint errors on the page it will show there at the bottom of the "page information" page. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 15:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Commented out the first closing span tag in my sandbox copy of HTMLDoc.Mod. Sure enough "Page information" shows "Lint errors, Missing end tag, 1". Will work through the pages, hunting errors. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (discusscontribs) 17:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@PeterEasthope: I think I've fixed it. If you have any more queries please ask. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 19:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image-linking with regards to licensing[edit source]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to bring the following discussion to your attention: c:Special:Permanentlink/559354101#Question_about_licensing_–_fulfilling_different_licensing_requirements.

I was asking about linking images and licensing, and did get an answer with information I wasn't aware of. I took a quick look at your image-help and did not find a corresponding hint either. So maybe you'd like to add information about this to your help pages. I will do so for german wikibooks.

Best regards --HirnSpuk (discusscontribs) 11:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]