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Handbook on a fictional world[edit]

Hello everyone,

first I want to apologize, if I'm in the wrong place, but it seemed pretty appropriate.

I got a problem. I did invent a sci-fi setting to play a RPG in, now I thought it would be great to release all information necessary to generate content for this universe into the public domain (describing society, planets, companys, races, basic timeline etc...). So that people would be able to base RPG-Settings, Audio Theater, Films, all sorts of fiction in general on the material. During time the book will grow with every media published about the setting adding to the "canon". The problem is: I think Wikibooks is the ideal place for this, but because of the fictional nature of the topic it might be... dunno... bad?

Why do I think wikibooks is the ideal place for it? Because everyone can contribute to the universe, even as an IP who doesn't care about wikimedia, but publish a short story on his/her Blog adding the infos he invented here. Hence the "Handbook" on the world is growing larger and larger, so everybody wanting to publish their own material can look up easily everything necessary to tell storys according to the here published growing "canon". There need to be some guidelines to let's say "block" certain "bits of information" for a certain amount of time, so that a creative mind can finish his work, adding the events he/she proposed to the "canon". The easiest example would be: The story takes place on a certain planet, and the author says: well for the next three month, the information about this planet is only written by me. It's probably possible to set the stage for something like this in the "Authorsguide" for the book...

Why do I think it might be a problem: It's a fine line between facts (here known as canon to a story) and fiction. There is the risk, that authors think they can contribute stories/content here. Where should be even drawn the line? Isn't the "invention" of a world in itself already fiction, so it does not belong here? There might occur problems, because some persons want to write, lets call it, "inappropriate" stuff, describing the backgrounds here... (actually my biggest concern: abuse in a "being rights" sense).

You probably guess: I think it will fit in nicely (and hopefully work out). I looked some books up and I think comparable would be the Lego Design book and the Magic The Gathering Book. My goal would be to describe "bricks" of information (published here), with which authors can build stories (published NOT here -> Youtube, Blogs, Deviantart, etc...). The result would be a totally free canon of a fictional world to whom everybody can contribute to.

To give an impression of how I see the content of the book:

What I would do:

  • Describe characters that have a real impact on the world
  • Describe Planets, vegetation, brief history
  • Describe Technology
  • Describe the timeline
  • ...

What I don't want to do:

  • I don't want to describe characters that are part of small stories
  • I don't want to describe every ship in fleet xy
  • I don't want to describe personal belongings of characters
  • ...

What do you think: Would you as a community accept such content? Do you think future Wikibooks-Generations would defend the idea against moving to wikia, which would probably be the first reflex of a wikipedian, to move the content to? At least it's original descriptive content? Did I miss any points (I probably did)? Is there anything that should be discussed, or is there a general opinion of "Cool! Give it a shot! If you stop writing in 3 month, we'll delete it anyways?"?

Thanks for reading, and your opinion, if you are so kind to write it. I'll probably sign up and start writing within the next half a year, if the majority likes the idea! Regards Axel--82.82.70.233 (discuss) 22:47, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Just a few days after I wrote this, I thought, maybe it's not that important anymore, but obviously it's more interesting than ever. Any Thoughts? Regards, Axel--HirnSpuk (discusscontribs) 11:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
@HirnSpuk: I can't speak to how good of an idea this is (it could be very creative and fun) but I don't think it would fall inside the scope of this project. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:46, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I think so too. On the one hand. On the other, let's think about creatives, that need to write something creative and original about something special and need a textbook reference about the stuff they should be creative about. Shouldn't they be able to read something like this, which could probably be categorized as an educational textbook? Educational resources are not solely about science and tech, I think. But I know, the idea is somewhat controversial. Hence I was asking here about it. One could argue, and maybe this is the point, that a book about creative writing in general is okay, a book about specific creative writing is not. Everything might be about the question, would we tolerate such an experiment and monitor the outcome to judge the experiment successful or not (aka the book is read and creative works are emerging because of it). Accepting the risk of making an example which opens wikibooks in a direction, that makes it possibly more controversial regarding topics and thus less servicable (on the other hand, take a look at Subject:Fantasy_literature, it wouldn't be that far of limits). If I'm concluding from german wiki-projects, an experiment like this would be heavily rejected by the community. But suprise me :-)... actually I'm thinking nothing will happen here anymore, and don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a bad idea. So I'm pretty happy, that someone took the time to think about the idea. So thanks again. And: If anyone is interested in the idea, don't count me out. Regards, Axel --HirnSpuk (discusscontribs) 13:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
It only depends on how you format it. The community will not pass judgment on keeping the content beyond the satisfaction of the rules. The main problem seems to be this "I did invent a sci-fi setting to play a RPG in". You will only be prevented to extrapolate directly on your creation if it isn't recognized as "published" or in general use.
If it is not, expand the scope of the project to generally cover Creating RPGs in a SCi-FI Settings and use your created universe as an example. But note that you will not be able to have any strict editorial control, other editors may add different examples or change your's, since your specific setting is subjective not factual or static. --Panic (discusscontribs) 16:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
@HirnSpuk: Thinking about your proposal, I actually think it could work on v: where the guidelines are a lot more flexible. It could really be an interesting task to see world-building as it happens and document it on the site. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
As a Wikiversity editor, I think it would be suitable for Wikiversity to withhold this type-of-content. Wikiversity is a LOT more lenient than other Wikimedia projects, heck, I got a fictional university to be a standard WV page! (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Mustafa_Einhoonansebadoi_University - this was when I was quite young). I'd be watching your progress and contributions there to make sure everything run smoothly, if you be willing @HirnSpuk: --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 20:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Wow, cool! @Panic2k4:, @Koavf:, @Atcovi:, thanks for the replies. To answer it piece by piece, I think generally talking about roleplaying would be something I'd like to do, but it's not the idea about this "Project". I just checked a little with the Versity's rules and initially thought it would not be suitable, but I'm flattered, that you offered to watch over it, thanks. On the other hand, I don't want to "bend the rules" so to say, and actually I think it could be nothing else than a wikibook. It is not intended for teaching creative writing, learning creative cooperation by cooperative-storytelling or something the like. I thought a little about changing the scope to this direction, but it's not, what I initially had in mind (let alone, that I don't know anything about it :-)). To be honest if it ever becomes, what I want it to be, it shall be "educational material" for creatives generating material "within" the canon of a "universe". It's not intended to tell an individual story (that's what the creatives should do afterwards), but more some general ideas and timeline behind the "universe" in a cooperative manner, so every creative mind can place his/her story within the canon.
With the option of contributing any additional canon-material (for example one could think about artworks and illustrations for commons changing the words into pictures for let's say specific races). The max I would do is opening a link collection, so everybody can show off, what was done with the canon (comics, audio-drama, hobby-movies, fan-fiction, roleplaying games,...) additionally giving editors who are not into creative things the opportunity to think about which facts could be considered canon (e.g. which character is important enough to be described in the wikibook). But the more ideas I get the more it turns into a tough job deciding between, what could be wikibook-material, what'd be wikia-material, what'd be creative-material... A possible book would probably need a whole set of rules to decide those things.
Additionally I'm quite busy at the moment, so I couldn't start away right now full speed anyways, even if you say: well, why not, go ahead. So thanks for your help, advice and good will and if you see an opportunity and/or a place to do it here on wikibooks, I would like to try discussing and fleshing out the idea further at a slow pace (with open end). But I suppose here (the Reading Room/Projects) would not be the right place than, correct?
As a side-note, if you are interested, I tried doing the thing small scale with a friend of mine (he's DMing another adventure in the same universe with our group with me as another player, pitched it to our group expanding my ideas). To watch my reactions, when he added to "my ideas" was pretty interesting, because I initially thought: "Nooo! You cannot do this or do that..." I did not speak with him right away, he told us his ideas via E-Mail and a few days later I was thinking: Well, actually, that's exactly what you wanted, just do it, let's see, where it's going... Kind of stressing, but kind of fun :-). Regards --HirnSpuk (discusscontribs) 00:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
@HirnSpuk: See here. As a heads-up, I probably wouldn't have anything to contribute but I think this could be a useful exercise. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Just a quick note, because of Justin's help above I came up with an Idea to maybe fit it into the scope of Wikiversity. Visit v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#A_possible_project_on_world-building for the according discussion, if interested. Thanks, regards --HirnSpuk (discusscontribs) 15:59, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Releasing a Book with Wikipedia article link[edit]

Hello, I'm a newbie so maybe this is a silly question:

I wrote a fictional book which is set in Esino Lario during Wikimania 2016 . I have two questions: 1) Can I publish-release the book somewhere in Wikimedia? 2) I'd like to link some place/event/facts that are in the book to Wikipedia article, did anyone make it already? can you give me any example?

Note: The book is written in Italian.

Mazrul (discusscontribs) 14:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)Mazrul

Hi, Mazrul. Wikibooks doesn't publish fiction. But, I suggest you ask at the forum at Meta; perhaps folks there can offer a wider perspective on your options. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear Mazrul,
That sounds like a fun project.
I believe that every topic is on-topic on at least one wiki.
While writing new fiction is off-topic here at Wikibooks, it is on topic at the Fiction Wiki[1] and many other writing wiki[2].
I see that over 100 Italian-language wiki are listed at the WikiIndex[3] -- please tell me about any others not yet listed, or add them yourself. Alas, I am not yet good enough in Italian to see which one is the best for writing new fiction.
--DavidCary (discusscontribs) 01:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thankyou I'll give a try! Mazrul (discusscontribs) 19:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposal for a Guide to Musical Instruments...[edit]

Recently User:Beeswaxcandle transcribed a 1917 book entitled Instruments of the Modern Symphony Orchestra at Wikisource.

I was wondering if there would be any interest in there being something broadly like this on Wikibooks, covering the instruments (and effects) in the General Midi list (which I think is 128 instruments + various drum kits.)

The thought was to initaly perhaps import the book mentioned above and update it slightly.

Each page would ideally have an infobox which listed things like tonal range, tunings, stero postions, GM instrument number and so on.

Would anyone be interested in writing such a work? ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 10:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: That would be great. All I could add is things like copyediting, inter-linking, and adding media. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
My next question would be how do I start a project here? ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 21:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@ShakespeareFan00: Our main repository of how-to about the project is, with thematic consistency, a book: Using Wikibooks. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 23:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I second the idea, ShakespeareFan00 and myself talked a bit on IRC and there may be some sections I could collaborate on. Penskins (discusscontribs) 21:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@ShakespeareFan00: Additionally, I know how to play trumpet and a little bit of bass guitar so I can help out on those sections. Please {{Ping}} me if you get it off the ground. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)