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This page will serve as an archive of my talk page messages. Please do not alter this page.


Hello and welcome to Wikibooks!

Here are some tips to help you get started:

You will find more resources in Community Portal. If you want to ask a question, visit the Study help desk, the Staff lounge, IRC channel or ask me personally on my talk page. For site news, see the Bulletin board. It might be an idea if you add this page to your "watchlist" so that you can see when any new information is posted there.

Good luck! --Herby talk thyme 19:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Todays work!

Very helpful indeed - thanks --Herby talk thyme 18:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


I love the look of the bugs page - Wikijunior has such quality to it. I run a "bot" that can do things like change or add categories, check for typos and layout etc. I'd be happy to help - regards --Herby talk thyme 17:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

If/when you work out a category structure let me have the details and I'll happily place them on the pages in a semi auto way - regards --Herby talk thyme 17:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Just let me know & I'll do it as soon as I can - I have a "soft" spot for Wikijunior's quality and presentation --Herby talk thyme 18:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Visual Basic Classic

Please don't just summarily delete images that have no copyright info. It would be more efficient to notify the author first by adding an entry to the talk page of the author so that he or she can make an attempt to rectify the situation. Then if nothing happens after a week or so of course carry on and delete. --kwhitefoot 11:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've responded to this directly --Herby talk thyme 11:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


As I have been in touch with you about some bits I hope you won't mind me approaching you about something specific. While vandalism is not the issue here that it is on Wikipedia we do still have a level of vandalism that needs tackling often by Admins as there are fewer users here than Wikipedia. One of the tools that allows us to tackle vandals more easily is Checkuser. This means that we can see the IP address a registered user has vandalised from and see if this may have happened before (it often has). To get these rights required 25 affirmative votes which on a small wiki is not easy. A hard working Admin is looking for just two more votes to get this. If you would like to look at this then go here Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship#SBJohnny_.28talk_.7C_email_.7C_contribs_.7C_logs. 29 and you are welcome to vote. I must stress that you are under no pressure at all to do so and if you decide not to that is fine. I do hope you do not mind me contacting you in this way - thanks and regards --Herby talk thyme 18:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for responding - I felt it was a bit cheeky but I hoped you would say no if you felt it - cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


OK - this is someone who "uses" things rather than necessarily understands them! In practice there is far more on Wikipedia about bots too (I'm from there originally). The one I use is w:AWB. There is quite a variety of things it can do from very basic typos and formatting, through adding or taking away categories through to quite advanced "search & replace".

On WP the use of semi auto bot type software is quite carefully controlled, here far less so (AWB can be run auto but I generally review changes before accepting them and run on an ordinary user account that would have to be the way). However I have a bot account user:Herbys bot so I can run auto if I want (a bot account has to be approved). I know there are folks who have "written their own" (Whiteknight for example) but tha is beyond me.

Enough waffle I guess - better if you have particular queries to get back to me again (& you are welcome to do so). I intend running the bot later today on basic cleanup stuff. Regards --Herby talk thyme 15:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikijunior New Title Votes

Are you aware that you voted in an old Wikijunior new title vote? The page you voted on was for the last few months of 2006. Now you should vote on: Wikijunior:New Book of the Quarter/2007-1st Quarter Vote Xania Flag of Poland 2.svgtalk 16:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Er, it seems that that wasn't the correct page either. That vote finished on 31/Dec 2006. I'll try to find the link for the current vote. Xania Flag of Poland 2.svgtalk 16:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Try this page: Wikijunior:New Book of the Quarter/2007-2nd Quarter Vote

Re: My Bot

My "bot" essentially consists of a set of library modules, written in Perl. I have all the basic functionality written to edit pages (download text, upload changes, etc), and I'm working to expand on that functionality with a set of higher-level modules and client programs. At the moment, most of my programs are semi-automated, but the ability is there to make programs that are fully-automated as well. I haven't done any development on it at all recently, but I am going to be working on it more in the future. I hope this answers your questions --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 23:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Very odd indeed

When I'm bored I look into that - think you must have got caught up in some vandalism. Should be ok now. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 18:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


Bit late for me but if you don't get a good answer you'll get something from me tomorrow - regards --Herby talk thyme 19:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Further to my bit in the Staff lounge this may "illuminate" things a little more -[1]. If you have queries let me know (I probably asked the same things a fairly short time ago <g>) --Herby talk thyme 13:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Layout of New Bugs Main Page

Hey Urbane User I just checked out the new userpage, and it looks very great in my opinion, I like the new layout it's nice and neat, and easier to look around in (especially the contents), so great job on it! Avenue of Covina 04:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Not totally sure I understand you. For the sig (I can almost do it blindfold - better than my normal typing!) if I don't type it I use the button on the editor (if you have .js enabled). While you could template it you would have to type something to get the template (I'm guessing you have the sig set up in "preferences"). Get back to me won't you (adopted or otherwise! - btw I see timezones as another issue with adoption - there are some folk I never see and some I always see?) --Herby talk thyme 10:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

OK - to me "Welcome" consist of a copy and paste of {{subst:welcome}} and --~~~~ which I find fairly automatic. I confess I frequently use a text scratch pad which will have stuff like that it (used to have spedy deleted with frequently used reasons but I deleted then now!). Equally I often do a batch at a time - for example take 500 on RC, exclude anons ([2]) and cast me eye over for red talk pages (sneaky if that put something on themselves!). Then using tabbed browsing open them all up for a copy & paste session?? Let me know - cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Language project Freestyle

Welcome on board! I have recently set up the basic pages and templates for the project. You can access its main page following this link: [[:de:Freestyle|Freestyle]].

Generally, there are two ways of creating new articles for this project: either you write an article from scratch or you adapt an actual text from English Wikinews. All kinds of topics are welcome, e. g. breaking news, politics, gossip, texts about the English language and its dialects... choose what you thinkg might be interesting for a foreign reader.

Try to adapt your style of writing to the grade (beginner, mediocre, advanced) you write for. Here are some criteria that might be helpful:

  • Beginner: short (100-120 words), easy grammar (present, straight sentences, no conditional), mostly day-by-day vocabulary. Suggested topics: breaking news, gossip, ...
  • Mediocre: medium (150-200 words), mediocre grammar (present, past, future, easy conditional sentences). Suggested topics: usual daily press talk, ...
  • Advanced: long (150-400 words), everything is allowed. Suggested topics: politics, art, literature, ...

I suggest we proceed thus: choose a topic, write an article and post it to the site, replacing TEXTTITLE by the headline of your article. Please provide the sources from which you have compiled the text. If possible, also provide a suitable picture from Wikimedia Commons. Let me know when you have finished, then I will see to the formatting and annotating. Later on, I can show you how to do the basic formatting (headline, picture, date, sources) yourself. If you have questions, contact me at any time. --Bitbert 14:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Wikibooks:Vandalism in progress or Wikibooks:Administrators' noticeboard are both fine - thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK - dealt with but always feel free to revert stuff yourself - look at the history and edit the one before the vandalism. Equally look at Wikibooks:Template messages/User talk namespace to find the messages you vcan places to warn people against vandalism - works quite often - thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Please notify users whose images you tag

I noticed that you tagged Willem Bol's image Image:At class waves.jpg. Thank you for catching that! May I please ask, however, that you notify users whose images you tag. It is very helpful to them; and many times, they get your notice and appropriately tag the image right away! Just use {{subst:image copyright|Image:Image_name.ext}} ~~~~ Thank you! Iamunknown 22:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Image delinking and Freeware

I wanted to ask if you could please stop deleting red image links from pages, especially in this book. We have several people who are working hard on the image problem, tagging images, tracking down users, and sorting through years of backlog. I know that you have participated in this project some as well, so I hope you can understand the importance of this request.

Once we get the image situation figured out, you can go back to business as usual. Thank you. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 02:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Everybody wants to help out, but sometimes different people "help" in contradictory ways. I know that you are a good helper, and I don't want to see your hard work get undone by our other good helpers. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 15:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for nice words :) I shell try develop wikibooks on bosnian language, especialy books for kids, so I don't think I'll contribute much on this wiki, but who knows :) Maybe one day. AdnanSa 16:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Main page

I have started a discussion about this at Wikibooks:Staff_lounge#Changes_to_main_page where it suggests Wikibooks:Nearly_complete as a main page. RobinH 13:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your comments on the staff lounge. The change to the Main Page that has turned it into a Library Catalogue looks like a retrograde step. It needs an admin to change it to something more relevant (See Main Page/test) RobinH 11:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi... this tag makes the blue "edit" link above the header sections on a page disappear. (I have no idea why it's used, but that's what it does :). --SB_Johnny | talk 20:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi - apologies for the delay in the reply - I've been away for a few days. You seem to have had an answer to the query and I can only confirm what Johnny said - it prevents someone adding a section to a page via a top "+" tab. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. Makes things easier to find. ;P --xixtas talk 21:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Page deletion

I know that we can track down blanked pages, but it does help out if you can leave the {{delete}} tags on the pages if you think they need to be deleted. I tracked down some pages you blanked, but had earlier marked them for speedy delete.

Anyway, thank you for trying to help out Wikibooks in your own way, and this sort of page cleanup is certainly helpful and important. Keep up the effort here! --Rob Horning 10:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


OK - you would be best using Firefox as far as I know and some folk don't get on with it. Me - I really would not be without it. [3] gets you to the info. Not an admin tool but is great for many tasks - regards --Herby talk thyme 09:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


No problem - well I say that - it is a 'crat thing - they can "change" usernames so I guess a posting to Whiteknight would be best - cheers --Herby talk thyme 19:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I can change your username if you want, just let me know what the new user name should be. In the database, all users are identified by a unique ID number, and all your contributions are attributed to that number, not to any particular user name. To that effect, when your name is changed, your entire contribution history will be updated to use your new name and not your old one. Besides the signatures you've posted in discussions, there will be almost no record at all that this username ever existed. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 19:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. You are now User:Urbane. All the pages in your user and user talk namespace have been moved to your new username, and the old pages have been redirected to this new namespace. You can use your new username along with your old password to login to wikibooks from now on. On a side note, you may way to register a new account at User:Urbane User just to prevent other people from taking it and breaking those redirects. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 19:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

What is Wikijunior

What is Wikijunior" is proposed as a policy and has been included on the Wikibooks Policies and Guidelines Voting page. Please take time to comment and express your opinion in the referendum. --xixtas talk 02:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikijunior Study (Moved from User_talk:Urbane_User

Hi Urbane,

I read your Wikijunior Bug. Very impressed and interested in knowing more about your experience related to this particular book project (Wikijunior Bug) I'm current a doctoral student at Indiana University. My advisor and I, we are starting a Wikibook study regarding to online authors' beliefs and perceptions (motivation to write a Wikibook, beliefs about the knowledge of the topic, previous experience and success in writing a Wikibook, and ability to help coordinate the Wikibook project and interact with other authors). We would love to invite you to participate in this study. Your input to this study will be greatly appreciated. If you agree to participate, please leave me a message or send me an email. (My email is We'll schedule a one hour interview with you at your convenience by phone or by email (email interview). Thank you very much again. inkeys

Wikijunior BOTQ

World War II is the winner. I am nervous about launching a book with so little support. (Particularly so because I myself have little interest in working on it.) But the system is what it is. This is one of the reasons I'm lobbying for changing this so that we just launch books whenever there are enough people who have expressed support, (and we don't launch books when there is not enough support.) We probably need to see if we can get some support from outside Wikipedia World War II talk might be a good place to ask for help. --xixtas talk 13:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikijunior:World War II

You are listed as either an interested participant or at one time voted for "World War II" for Wikijunior New Book of the Quarter. This message is to let you know that we are starting work on World War II because it was selected for 3rd quarter 2007. --xixtas talk 23:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wiki research

Hi Urbane,

I read your Wikijunior Bug. Very impressed and interested in knowing more about your experience related to this particular book project (Wikijunior Bug) I'm current a doctoral student at Indiana University. My advisor and I, we are starting a Wikibook study regarding to online authors' beliefs and perceptions (motivation to write a Wikibook, beliefs about the knowledge of the topic, previous experience and success in writing a Wikibook, and ability to help coordinate the Wikibook project and interact with other authors). We would love to invite you to participate in this study. Your input to this study will be greatly appreciated. If you agree to participate, please leave me a message or send me an email. (My email is We'll schedule a one hour interview with you at your convenience by phone or by email (email interview). Thank you very much again. inkeys, 30 June 2007


For god's sake man, that is a copy-paste from a GCSE textbook widely used by British kids!! even if you didn't use it, that text is widely circulated!! --JohnBambenek 14:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


There would have been a time when I would have not handled it well at all - we live and learn! Good to have you around --Herby talk thyme 15:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi - pretty much out of time for today. However I'd probably say the same thing - Staff lounge would be where I'd go with it - I'll take a look there when I'm on next - cheers --Herby talk thyme 18:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could come up with some kind of "group project"? Every day, if each user fixed one image from the FHSST book (found or created a free alternative, or proved that the image was already under a free license), with enough people working on it the problem would be solved pretty quickly. All I've really got is inkscape and MSpaint, but anything that I can recreate I will try to do soon. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 18:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I've done some more research about it, and I'm going to post a note about it at the WB:AN. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 18:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Main Page

If you missed my reply on my talk page. Sure you can copy User:Darklama/Main Page. --darklama 20:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Page Listings

There is a list at Wikibooks:Alphabetical classification/All Books, which basically using DPL to transcludes the pages from the various alphabetical categories. This will only list books that have been properly tagged with {{Alphabetical}} (which isn't all of them). Unfortunately, I have yet to find a way to only list root-level pages automatically (such as by a special page). --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 21:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions Regarding Pre-university courses

Hi Urbane, I've started doing a little writing for the Primary School Mathematics course, which seems much more like a book than a course.

I've noticed three courses in the Pre-university courses section of the Wikiversity:School of Mathematics page

Basic Mathematics (numbers, arithmetic, fractions, decimals)

Primary School Mathematics (numbers, arithmetic, pre-algebra)

High School Mathematics (algebra, trigonometry, pre-calculus, calculus)

The Primary School Mathematics course specifies on the first page that it is "not for students but for parents and teachers". I understood this to mean that the reader should have some competency in math and so I created and started writing what I thought the content of the Primary School Mathematics pages should be in an "Overview" chapter. However, I then noticed that the High School Mathematics course (in the same category of courses, is intended to actually teach the various subjects of mathematics.

I see a problem here. Actually, I'm not sure that the Primary School Mathematics "course" is really a course at all. I see it more as an aid to teachers and parents in understanding how the new math is taught.

It makes very little sense to me that the course should be to teach Primary school mathematics. Surely any adult (with very, very few exceptions) that is able to parse its pages has these basic math skills, so I am treating the book as more of a pedagogical treatise for the layman and/or the teacher whose specialty is not mathematics. Am I going about this wrong?

If you are unable to help me with these questions, can you please point me in the right direction? Thanks Leightwing 21:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Using Wikibooks

I hope you dont mind, but i'm going to just go crazy and work on this book until my fingers bleed. It's the kind of help resource that we desperately need around here, and it's long over-due. I'm trying not to screw up any of your work too badly. Once I get all the groundwork laid, I want to post a message on the staff lounge and try to get everybody here at wikibooks to donate at least a little bit of information. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 00:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you categorizing?

The Wikimanual of Gardening chapters are already categorized in subcategories... I've tried to keep the top category (Category:A Wikimanual of Gardening empty so that new pages could be put there for later sorting. --SB_Johnny | PA! 12:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

(BTW: there are many hunderds of pages in that book, hence the subcat structure) :). --SB_Johnny | PA! 12:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

NP :). Thanks for the copyediting too though! I'll be back to work on that book come November or so... the v:Bloom Clock takes up most of my wikitime these days :). --SB_Johnny | PA! 13:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the reverts, sorry I wasn't around a few minutes earlier to block that guy sooner. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 16:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I've temporarily protected this page from anonymous editing because of the vandalism. It expires today at 17:46, or I can unprotect it for you earlier if you like. Mike.lifeguard | talk 17:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Please use subst:

Please remember to substitute for Template:no license. Otherwise it will always say "to be deleted on or after" and then some date a week from whenever you view it. It is only static when you subst: it. It's also supposed to give a big "You forgot to subst: me; please change it" message if it isn't substituted, but I think that's broken because it keeps showing up fine.

Also, if you use {{subst:nld}} it will automatically enter the date for you - it's a lot faster! Thanks for all the image tagging you do. Mike.lifeguard | talk 02:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Both templates seem to subst: fine for me. Here's one instance: User:Mike.lifeguard/Sandbox and I tried it on Image:5percent-bar.png, which worked fine. Same goes to substituting {{no license}}. I'm not sure how your browser could be affecting it though. {{subst:nld}} is exactly what you should be using. If it's still not working, you might try asking someone who worked on the template. Mike.lifeguard | talk 14:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like you used only one curly brace on either end. To subst: a template you still need two. Hope that fixes it! Mike.lifeguard | talk 14:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

broken redirects

I remember deleting some stuff for you a while back - archives of your talk page, I think. It may have broken some redirects. Or they may be totally unrelated. But it involves stuff in your User Talk: space, so do you mind sorting them out?

  1. User talk:Urbane User/MessageArchiveDecember2006 (edit) (delete) → User talk:Urbane/MessageArchiveDecember2006
  2. User talk:Urbane User/MessageArchiveFebruary2007 (edit) (delete) → User talk:Urbane/MessageArchiveFebruary2007
  3. User talk:Urbane User/MessageArchiveJanuary2007 (edit) (delete) → User talk:Urbane/MessageArchiveJanuary2007

If anything needs to be deleted, you can tag them, or let me know and I'll do it. Thanks! Mike.lifeguard | talk 13:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Figured it out. I have gone temporarily insane. The redirects have been deleted. Mike.lifeguard | talk 13:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Ha, no worries. We all go a little bit insane sometimes. Urbane (Talk) (Contributions) 17:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

Will all positive support, you are now a sysop. Enjoy. -withinfocus 01:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will use my new tools cautiously. Thanks to everyone who voted in support. Urbane (Talk) (Contributions) 09:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


I saw your question on withinfocus's talk page. This might be worth discussing in the staff lounge. I don't think including the GFDL license tag on the page would be enough. While the text is required to be released under the GFDL, images are not. I believe while it would be a pain to do, you or someone else would need to verify that the PDF file is actually based on a book here, that the GFDL is properly included within the file, that all images used are released under a free image license and include the license information within the file, and all attribution/required information by each license is properly included. I think it would be necessary to delete it if all that is not meet. Perhaps a new template is needed for including on pages within the Image namespace for pdf files that have had all that verified. --darklama 11:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not the best person to ask about images and licensing issues. Best to go with darklama's comments. -withinfocus 23:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Question

Its me again, seeing another question you've asked. When I'm deleting due to a vfd decision, I try to delete all modules, talk pages, specialized templates only used by it, redirects and empty categories specific to it. So if the templates are orphaned, and were specific to that Final Fantasy book go ahead and delete them. --darklama 12:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


Yes - play some more with the delete button. Someone (me maybe) missed them when doing the others (be careful when deleting entire "books" that you get everything, I've slipped up before). And congrats on the admin bit - cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:FLYbarmutant.png‎ copyright

I noticed your msg on JWSchmid's talk page concerning this image. While it did include {{nld}} on the page, if you looked further down, at the description the person included information that it was released under the GFDL. I've replaced nld with {{GFDL-self}} and removed the copyright notice from JWSchmid's talk page.

If you find any other images which describe what terms they releasing under, such as GFDL, just go ahead and rm the nld template if there is one and add the appropriate license. --darklama 21:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Left you a reply on my talk page. --darklama 19:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi - kept meaning to get back to you today but got delayed! Pages such as Talk:Java Programming/wiki/Talk:Java Programming/Threads and Runnables/w/index.php this which you (rightly) deleted are created by spambots (anything with an index.php or a trailing /). They probably come from open proxies, however a quick way to deal with them and leave a form of warning is to block them (I've never seen good edits on any ip like that). I'll always block for a week at least, if I can find more info (with this maybe) then longer. Some block for longer anyway but at least then if you look at the block log when you find one you can see if they are returning. Let me know if I can help - cheers --Herby talk thyme 17:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem - just operating on auto pilot when I do that sort of thing! Keep at it and thanks for the wishes, it will be good to get away - cheers --Herby talk thyme 16:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Untagged / Unlicensed Images

I don't know if you've noticed yet, since it depends some on your browser's cache, your cache preferences on Wikibooks, and what skin your using, but there may be two links called "untagged" and "unlicensed" that show up now on user pages, that you may find useful in your quest to deal with images and other files missing copyright information and license tags. The untagged link shows any files uploaded by the user that haven't been tagged, not even with {{nld}}. The second shows uploads by that user which have been tagged with {{nld}}. --darklama 15:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Merging Edit Histories

Yes, i have heard of merging edit histories, although I cant remember whether I've ever had the pleasure of doing it. I have, however, written up some basic instructions for doing it at Using Wikibooks/The Wikibooks Administrator/Advanced Administration. I hope this should answer your questions, but if you need more information let me know and I will try to fill you in. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 21:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

ETD Guide Violation

Hello. I am new to Wikibooks so I am unsure what I need to do to make everything alright with my page. I am a student at Virginia Tech who is working on a project for class in accordance with one of the authors, Dr. Fox. Please let me know what I need to do so my page is not deleted.

I've now acted on the information provided and tagged it as a copyvio with a termination date of about a week. You or User:Urbane or anyone that has time and disposition could attempt to get the permission from UNESCO (I don't perceive that as improbable, since it falls on the dictates of the organization to enable such uses, I have provided information on were to look for it on the VfD page). Good luck it would be great if we can save the work. --Panic 23:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

ETD Guide Cvio Question

I have a couple questions about the how to correctly get copyright permissions. Myself and Dr. Edward Fox are getting in contact with UNESCO and am positive that it won't be a problem. However, being as there are multiple authors in this piece of work, is permission from UNESCO enough or do we need permission from all authors as well?

Also, being as this is something that we would like to have continually updated over the years but also keep the integrity of the work in the ETD guide, is there any way to lock editing of this ETD guide wiki to only certain users? Please let me know as soon as you get the chance. Thank you. --User:Kmill56

Only release from the copyright holder is required. If UNESCO holds the copyright, then they can license it however they want.
There is no way to restrict who can edit the book - that would be antithetical to the concept of wikis. If you want to control editing, this is not the place for it. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC) (Sorry to barge in like that - I though I was editing a more public page. *is embarassed*) Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

UNESCO grants copyright permission for ETD Guide on 23 Oct 2007

I just received the following email, which grants use copyright permission from UNESCO. I can forward it to some email address if you prefer. Many thanks, Ed Fox

Original Message-----

From: Plathe, Axel [4] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:35 AM To: Fox, Edward Cc: Moxley, Joseph; Nisbet, Miriam; Shawki, Tarek; Denissova, Natalia Subject: RE: Resending: Written permission please - RSVP ASAP

Dear Ed,

Nice to hearing from you.

It is with pleasure that UNESCO grants permission to publish the Guide on Wikibooks.

Best wishes

Axel _________________ Axel Plathe Chief, Executive Office Communication and Information Sector UNESCO 1, rue Miollis 75732 Paris cedex 15 Tel.: + 33 (0)1 45 68 44 67 Cell: + 33 (0)6 21 80 64 59 Fax: + 33 (0)1 45 68 55 81

Original Message-----

From: Fox, Edward [5] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:58 AM To: Plathe, Axel Cc: Moxley, Joseph; Fox, Edward Subject: Resending: Written permission please - RSVP ASAP Importance: High


I'm resending the msg below to be sure it reaches you.

Please see It will look bad for UNESCO and NDLTD etc. if we cannot get the label removed:


Can you please send me a written permission statement allowing NDLTD to make available the Guide through wikibooks (and possibly have parts in wikiversity and wikipedia, to promote interest and visibility)?

It is important that:

  • students working on this now be able to proceed, since there is now

only about a month left in our semester,

  • we have this as a way to update and keep the Guide current, on into

the future, to support ongoing growth of ETD activities.

We thank you for your time and assistance!

Sincerely, Ed Fox (Executive Director, NDLTD)

PS We hope you are well!

Original Message-----

From: Fox, Edward Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:34 PM To: 'a.plathe@UNESCO.ORG' Cc: Fox, Edward; 'Moxley, Joseph' Subject: Written permission please


How are you?

It has been a while since we have been in touch.

First, I should thank you again for all your support with regard to ETD activities worldwide!

Second, I should ask if there are other things going on at UNESCO that might relate that we should discuss?

Third, I wonder if you can provide a written permission statement allowing the making of an updated version of the ETD Guide accessible through wikibooks (see I have some people ready to work on this now, but the wikibooks people won't allow us to proceed without written permission.

We look forward to your comments. Many thanks, Ed

Professor Edward A. Fox, Ph.D. Department of Computer Science, 2050 Torgersen Hall, M/C 0106 Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061 USA Ph: +1-540-231-5113, Cell +1-540-230-6266 Email:, FAX: +1-540-231-6075 WWW: Chair, IEEE TCDL, Executive Director, NDLTD, Director, Digital Library Research


The Guide for Electronic Theses and Dissertations

Are the licensing issues for this taken care of? I thought you had received an email, but it required verification? Mike.lifeguard | talk 21:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

from m:User talk:Sj

Hi Sj,

I saw you listed on the OTRS page. I am an administrator over at Wikibooks and I was wondering if you could answer a question that i need answering. The book b:The Guide for Electronic Theses and Dissertations is not currenly licensed under the GFDL, it is copyrighted. The owners have expressed an interest in allowing the book to be used on wikibooks. However, they are not entirely sure how to do this.

Upon holding conversations with other user's and contributors to the wikimedia projects, I am under the impression that there are two key ways of making this happen. The first involves the copyright holder altering the copyright notice on their website, the other involves the OTRS system, through the permissions channel. However, i am not familiar with the OTRS system and before i can explain how it works to the copyright owner, I need to know myself.

I would recommend that they clearly state the new license on their website, preferably with a scan of a signed document that can be uploaded there and on wikibooks itself. They could also email the same image to the permissions mailing list.

Would the copyright owner need to send an email directly to the OTRS channel, or could correspondance be forwarded from myself? What exactly needs to be sent in the email outlining permission? Where exactly would permission need to be sent? etc...

If you could please mull over these questions and get back to me as soon as possible, it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Urbane 15:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. It's great to find authors willing to freely license their works, and we should facilitate it as smoothly as we can. +sj | help with translation |+ 01:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Message received 20-Nov from User:Nputhika

Hi Urbane,

I removed so much information on the learning theories webpage because I posted on a wrong page. I was supposed to post information on the WebQuests in ESL/EFL contexts page, not on the main page.

Username change

Hi Reece. Would you like me to make a full name change for you? This would be a lot easier over the long run, because doing a "manual switch" like this means that your sysop tools are still under the old username. --SB_Johnny | PA! 15:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh nevermind... looks like that's already done. Please update Wikibooks:Administrators :). --SB_Johnny | PA! 15:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

US History

As I told Neoptolemus here, a simple merge would suffice quite well. Thoughts? Laleena (talk) 15:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikijunior Europe

I have seen that you have worked on a lot of wikijunior books so i was hoping you could help me with a problem. Croatia is marked as 75 percent done but i have seen more works that have more information then it does. Do you think i should move them up to 75 percent done or move it down to 50 percent done. I would appreciate it if you could check it out and see what i should do. Thanks.--Xxagile (talk) 23:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent vandalism

Thanks for catching that... that was annoying. Chazz (talk) 22:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks a lot for sorting the recent vandalism out for me too. HYanWong (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


If you recall, you had encountered an obscure bug with this script that I couldn't figure out. I just got the same error & managed to fix it. Do you mind trying it out again & let me know whether it's working for you?  — Mike.lifeguard | talk 14:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Just wondering if there's a reason for this revert you made?  — Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)