User talk:Ojmorales0002

The Golden Bough and hello!

Welcome to Wikibooks. I hope you enjoy being around here and doing many interesting things.

It was a good idea of yours to put The Golden Bough on Wikibooks, and I would be interested to see what interactive and graphical stuff you and others might be able to put on it.

However, if it is just a textbook (I mean, only text) it would belong better on Wikisource. If we could interact with it and put our own views, thoughts and exercises, as well as bring more modern myths to it. I am aware that there is a lot of the developing world that has not seen this text, and may well have different opinions about the material.

-EuropracBHIT 03:58, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I will put the text on wikisource as well. The more developed e-book will be at wikibooks

Thanks for the advice.

Ojmorales0002 12:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Organization of the Golden Bough

Hi! I had a look at your book The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion. There is some discussion about how to organize books at Wikibooks:Hierachy naming scheme, and I would like to give you the following suggestion:

• tgb is not a good way to separate your book from others.
• I recommend you to use [[The Golden Bough]] for the book and [[The Golden Bough/Preface]],[[The Golden Bough/The King of the Wood]], etc. , that is create subpages to your book using the "/" slash command. In this way you will automatically get a link back to your main book, if it has the same name throughout (have a look at the book Hamster Care how it is done there.)
• For successful and not so successful alternatives have a look at Wikibooks:Hierachy naming scheme.

I know you invest a lot of time into your book. Please consider make it a lasting effort. Thanks, and good luck in the future. If you have questions or need help, just let me know. --Andreas 15:25, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Andreas, that makes sense. I will read up on how to change / move to that scheme. I have only added two chapters at the moment good thing you told me now. DO you have a quick link on how to rename the initial book or move the already created chapters. Ojmorales0002 15:34, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If you are logged in, then you should have the "move" command on top of the page, with which you can rename a page. This is the best way to do things. If you don't have this command, then I can also move the pages for you, if you want. --Andreas 15:45, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I did it for the main page The Golden Bough, worked fine, will do the other pages before continuing and Ill check any pages refrencing them as well. again, thanks a lot Ojmorales0002 16:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I redid all the links, its actually easier with the naming as you suggested, like directories in DOS. Thanks again, Ojmorales0002 18:35, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Great! Well done. Another thing: Most of your links are displayed as ==[[headings]]==. It seems natural to do so, because you are putting headings there, but the content is somewhere else. On other Wikibooks, people struggle with other users clicking on the "edit" button next to those sections to edit things, some don't notice that they should click on the heading itself.

I therefore recommend you, to put links not into ==headings==, but use ordinary "*" lists for it. Also if you put all chapters between "==..==", then you get a table of contents at the top of the page, which is pointless, since the same table appears below. Therefore, the cleanest thing is not to put links between "==..==", but into a list. --Andreas 18:48, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I startigng noticing that, The idea is a left over from when I wanted the whole book on one page. I do like the horizontal bar that shows up after text when they are within "=..=" though, is there a way of having that or of not having a TOC? Ojmorales0002 19:03, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there is a way for each of these things, but I don't think you need the line under each link on a page like The Golden Bough/Part 1. Maybe you already got used to it, but with so many chapters having each of them so big and underlined looks a little bit clumsy.. --Andreas 19:25, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In fact I am doing away with the whole part sections and adding the chapter links to the The GOlden Bough page, I will keep the toc there so that people can jump to the old "Part ..." heading, to save would be readers a bit of time. It also will save space on the servers and further editing. Ojmorales0002 19:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Very good. This looks much better now. --Andreas 19:25, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have requested that The Golden Bough/Part1, The Golden Bough/Part 1 The Golden Bough/Part 2 and The Golden Bough/Part 3 be deleted, I have moed the links to the main page. I am way happier with how it looks now. Ojmorales0002 20:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am like an idiot, I can take out the bottom lonks as well, since they are on top due to the hierarchy. Ojmorales0002

:-) If you want even more convenience, you could use numbered lists, using the "#" symbol instead of "*", like here:

1. The King of the Wood
2. Priestly Kings
3. Sympathetic Magic

Could also save some time, for numbering all chapters.. and later inserting a new one.. --Andreas 21:18, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Where my version of The Golden Bough Belongs

If I need to, is there a way of moving this book to wikisource. Although i thought wikisource was for 'source texts' not formatted or edited text. Ojmorales0002 19:08, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the way you started organizing it, it seems it is better a book for Wikisource (which contains original work by a certain author). Wikibooks is more meant for books, where each page can be edited by anyone, so I don't think this is what you want. There could be a Wikibook that explains the main ideas of the original work (like a study guide). Unfortunately there is no easy way to transfer a Wikibook to wikisource other than copying and pasting every page.. but I'd recommend you to do this sooner than later (the sooner you do it, the less you have to copy). Just ask yourself: Is it ok, if other users change the content of each of the chapters in the book (modern language, add or remove content, rewrite parts of the book, etc.), then it could be a wikibook. Or do you want to present the book as it was originally written, then it should be Wikisource, where users mainly correct spelling mistakes and the like, but not the original content. (Both are wikis, and in both wikis the book can be presented nicely). --Andreas 19:25, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gotcha, then I think is best keep it here. I will still upload the actual text to wikisource for people to be able to use. But I want to be able to change certain things, which I, out of respect, would not want to do to the original. Ojmorales0002 19:29, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, if you really want this to be a wikibook with no compromises, then I have yet another suggestion (I hope it is not getting too many... :-) ): Assume in a year somebody comes, and wants to insert a new chapter between chapter 4 and chapter 5. The person would have to move all chapters in order to renumber them, to insert a chapter. That is why the prefered way of organizing Wikibooks is, to have the title of a chapter as the link name: Use [[The Golden Bough/The King of the Wood]], [[The Golden Bough/Priestly Kings]], etc. instead of [[The Golden Bough/Chapter 1]], [[The Golden Bough/Chapter 2]], and so on. If you want, you can still write the Chapter number on the main page, but this is then much easier to correct, if somebody wants to add or delete or move a chapter. --Andreas 20:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I can see a benefit in that. People can add remove, expand or compile other versions of the book (the ones in PD anyway) Thanks. Ojmorales0002

Love affair

By the way, I am loving the wiki world.... and I just noticed that this book will take a few, lol. thanks all, Ojmorales0002 15:42, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)