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Contents 1 Water Safety 2 Thank you... 3 Clock recovery 4 Transwiki:Four Corners Solitaire 5 If 6 My answer to Lifeguard 7 query 8 IRC cloak request 9 SoraxD 10 Re: User:BryanBot 11 When 12 Directing Technology/Purchase/planning 13 Do spaces remove the hit ? 14 Cookbook:Eton mess 15 Ta 16 Archives 17 Logo Advertisements 18 Query - Why? 19 It's me again... 20 shortcuts 21 Ha 22 See my talk page

Water Safety

Sounds good, and timely since I'm taking my cub scout pack to the lake this weekend. The hard part will be getting good pictures. Here's some CC By stuff from flickr [1] [2] [3] [4] that might be useful. I'm happy to help with a book like that. --xixtas ^talk 04:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for help with the pics. I've uploaded a few to commons. If you want to give feedback on the plan so far, it's at Wikijunior:Water Safety/meta. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 21:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be great to focus on what kids need to know (as opposed to what parents or lifeguards should know about keeping kids safe around water.) Simple stuff most adults probably take for granted. (Jump in feet first, read the signs, know how to float, don't get too tired, drink water, if you're in trouble call for help right away, don't swim around boats or dams, etc.) I put a few websites on the meta page for inspiration and possible reference sources. --xixtas ^talk 03:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the real focus. I only started with what you see because it was the first stuff that comes to mind. It does make sense (to me at least) to include at least some stuff for their parents. I will probably move that stuff to a single page at the end though & de-emphasize it. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 03:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for the kind welcome. This really looks like a great place, I look forward to contributing. -- RedCoat 18:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Clock recovery

Howdy, thanks for importing the clock recovery page over to wikibooks. I actually know next to nothing on the wikibooks side - could you fill me in on why an article moved over would be labeled Transwiki:Clock recovery rather than just Clock recovery? Is that just a step along the way to getting it imported? Thank you. Mrand 18:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly right. The Transwiki: namespace is a holding area for imported content. Once a transwiki page has been adopted, you can work on it there, then move it or the other way around - it's up to you. The point is that Transwiki: pages are still in encyclopedia article style (mostly), and they need to be turned into textbook modules instead. You may be interested in reading Wikibooks for Wikipedians as a starting point. Happy editing! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 18:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Transwiki:Four Corners Solitaire

Thanks Mike. The above was the reason for my import request. I saw your note in the poker book :-) --AdRiley 14:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

If

You come across edits blanking a page and putting in websites (mainly .cn so far) they are probably Open Proxies. Seen on en wq, en wp & Commons so far today - cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 11:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

My answer to Lifeguard

Firecircle 04:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC) What I did was edit an article lifted from my wage page a number of years ago. It was so out of date that I brought it into conformity with its equivalent on my website Quest for Atlantis. Since I was the original author, I felt free to update it. Was this Ok? Sorry, for the delayed answer--I didn't locate your question for some time. Firecircle 04:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that's fine I guess. Usually we don't edit in other people's userspace (except talk pages) because it's their own personal space. No harm done really, but if that user wanted it updated they can do it themselves.

You can find your old edits easily by clicking "my contributions" in the top right corner. Happy editing! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 15:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

query

I don't understand what you meant to do by adding {{query}} to Pilingual_Primer/label. Your edit propagated a speedy deletion box from yet another template through {{query}} and Pilingual_Primer/label to the book itself, which is probably not what you meant to do. --Fasten 20:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for that. That page should be in the Template: namespace, I think. Without knowing that the page is a template, it does look like a very short page with little to no content which may have been created in error. You might consider moving it out of the mainspace. Thanks for the note. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 21:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the manual of style for the book can clear up that misunderstanding. The page is as intended. --Fasten 21:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

If you say so. I don't see why a template that is for use in a book would be located in either the mainspace or your userspace. It's not a functional difference, so keep stuff where it is if you like, but it makes sense to me that it should be located in the template namespace. Since it doesn't matter functionally, I'll leave it be; it's up to the book community to make those decisions. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 22:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

I am Mike_lifeguard on freenode and I would like the cloak wikibooks/mike_lifeguard. Thanks. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 01:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

SoraxD

Looks like this user appeared only to delete four chapters of the Muggles' Guide. Thank you very much for re-instating them. Can I admit to some curiosity as to why the user wasn't blocked? Chazz (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The damage was not as extensive as the diffs make it seem. The specific changes here have caused the diffs to be really horribly done; that why the first revert was rollback and the rest were AGF. This user only removed links - this was not an extended vandalism spree; the changes were actually relatively minor. Blocks aren't punative, so a block now doesn't make sense. If the edit history continues in the future, a block would be warranted. Thanks for keeping an eye out for that kind of thing - you do good work. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 07:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC) (note to self: figure out why these diffs suck)

Perhaps then a message on his talk page might be in order? Thing is, I don't know where he got those summaries from, I expect they must have been cut and pasted from somewhere, because of the sheer speed with which they appeared. My supposition is that someone has decided to post Cole's Notes or Spark Notes instead of what we have put up there. As for why they suck? SoraxD's summaries over-summarize; they leave out events that are critical to the one book and to the series as a whole. And apart from that, they flatten the characters to the point that we simply don't care what happens to them. I'd like to think that I don't do either of those... or at least, not as much. Timing note: The early books, like PoA, it took me about 30 minutes to summarize a chapter. The later books, especially OotP and DH, an hour was good time for a chapter. And I write fast, I'm told. Chazz (talk) 07:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, a warning is certainly in order (done now - forgot previously). I meant the actual diffs. They really sucked at showing what changed. MediaWiki calculates diffs on the fly, and there have been complaints that the algorithm used is less than perfect. This diff (for example) is simply de-linking the character names, but the diff makes it look like he's ripped the page apart. The other edits were poor quality, but hardly disruptive vandalism. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 08:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course, something else that he did seems to have removed all the paragraph breaks from the rendered text, which also makes it much harder to read. And I can also see why the diff algorithm is so horrible. The MediaWiki algorithm basically counts differences, and if it reaches a certain level, it says "this is a completely new paragraph", and offsets everything that follows by one paragraph. It does not attempt to re-sync once it has fallen out of step. Chazz (talk) 08:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:BryanBot

Nope, it is currently not possible to have something like (+2 Edit requests). This is due to the fact that I don't store data of the previous run. It may be possible that I come up with something else, but I need to give it some thought. Bryan talk | commons) 22:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes it rebuilds the list each time and overwrites the old list. Bryan talk | commons) 23:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

When

you are on meta keep an eye on this - it has useful info from time to time :) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Very nice page; I like! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 17:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting the measure of you now:) I have some regrets about my edits on the RfA page - I also regret not supporting you - I know your work better now --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence. It's always good to know your work is appreciated. You're a bit of a star yourself, so that makes a bit of extra difference. =D – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 17:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Directing Technology/Purchase/planning

Per your request, everything that used to be located at Directing Technology/Purchase/planning is now located at Directing Technology/Purchase/. Members of my group were using Directing Technology/Purchase/planning as an area where we were brainstorming ideas. Please do what ever you need to delete Directing Technology/Purchase/planning. Let me know if you have any questions. Dabrace1984 19:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Douglas Brace

Thanks! I will history merge imminently. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 21:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Mike, thank you for your help. I believe that you might have gotten confused with my request. Everything that is located at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/planning can be deleted. I believe that you copied everything over from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/. Can http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/planning be deleted or should I just make it blank? Sorry for any confusion ~~ dabrace1984

No, I left it as a redirect on purpose, but I didn't notice that it was an orphan. I've now deleted it. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 23:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Do spaces remove the hit ?

Did they ? --Panic 02:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah; thanks for that. But now it's saying "copyvio?"... that one is a bug! I'm trying to figure out the best way to fix it right now. Don't worry about this one; we'll change the bot (or something). – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 02:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol, if you need any help just ask... in any case I draw a line on changing my alias... (the Panic keyword has historically been used as an error code and is know to give problems in very old code) --Panic 02:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Cookbook:Eton mess

Hi, you tagged "Cookbook:Eton mess" with a {{copyvio}} tag. I don't think it violates any copyright – it appears to be a generic recipe. It was originally in the article "Eton mess" but was removed from en.wikipedia as unencyclopedic, so I thought it would be helpful to include it in the Cookbook instead. I've had a look at several other recipes in the Cookbook, and none of them seem to have any references. Jacklee 18:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you check the URL provided? It uses the exact same words. Since this comes from en.wp, the most likely thing is that that site is the copyvio. I'll remove the tag and history-merge with an import from en.wp. Thanks for clearing that up. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 18:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What URL? I had a look at older versions of the article containing the {{copyvio}} tag and there didn't seem to be any URL indicated on the tag. Anyway, thanks for clarifying and cleaning up the matter. Jacklee 18:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ta

Thanks! Ewen 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Archives

They will see the message :-) They have an odd system, the archives are templated in the main page. It is at the right place :-) Editors write in the archives and the archives are displayed in Le Bistro. Very odd people... Anthere 22:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Odd is right. Thanks anyways! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 22:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Logo Advertisements

Hey mike, thanks for your help with advertising the logo thing. I've been so busy lately with school that I keep forgetting details like the site notice or the bulletin board. I can't wait till the semester is over, and I can get back to regular, old-fashioned, wiki addiction. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 13:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Query - Why?

Hello You have put a comment on my recipe for Tarte Tatin which I dont quite understand (my fault probably) - I put up this recipe and it is intended for the Cookbook section of Wikibooks. Is this wrong ? Thanks - Peter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peterkirchem (talk • contribs) 22:37, November 29, 2007.

At the time {{query}} was added, that page consisted of a single sentence. Since you've expanded it since the, there's no problem. Thanks! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 23:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It's me again...

There are a few more Lucid Dreaming pages that have seem to appear outside of the book. One of them is at:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming:_Reality_Checks:_Finger_Stretching

Last time you said I should ask you to move this page. It belongs under the reality checks section of the book. Following the links from THAT page, there are more articles with colons such as:

Lucid_Dreaming:_Reality_Checks:_Finger_Stretchin-g

There are many pages with colons in their URL. I'm wondering if it is synonmymous with the slashes of the official book, or if it's another seperate page. There are two copies of pages such as:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming/Induction_Techniques

and

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming:_Induction_Techniques

Why are there colons on some of the URLs and not others? Erik212 22:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like this book uses an old naming convention. Technically it is grandfathered under the naming policy, but it's probably a good idea to update to the slash convention instead. I'll have a go with this; you're welcome to help out if you like. In this case, renaming looks fairly straightforward; just replace any colons with a slash instead (and remove the space after the colon if there is one) - so Lucid Dreaming: Induction Techniques will be moved to Lucid Dreaming/Induction Techniques. Thanks! – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 22:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the prompt reply. How exactly do I change the URL for the article? Erik212 22:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

There's a move tab at the top. Just click that and enter the new name and the reason you're moving the page. When in doubt, you should move the talk page along with it (there's a check box to do both moves in parallel). Just looking at Special:Prefixindex/Lucid Dreaming though, I think all the renaming has been done; I'll see if I can update some links and delete some orphan redirects though. If you see other books which need to be updated to the slash convention, it's probably safe to go ahead and do it. – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 22:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, got it. Thanks for the help again. Erik212 22:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

shortcuts

Hi Mike:

I think the shortcuts are a great idea, however you need to be careful to use the long name of the pages in the redirects, rather than the shortcuts, otherwise you make a double-redirect (a shortcut directing to a shortcut). Hope you have a good day. Mattb112885 (talk to me) 20:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm just going back now to fix them :) – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 20:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ha

Was just coming to tell you about the "MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown" page - might have guessed you would have found it already! And should have added "good work" on it too. Cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a heads-up because I stumbled across the bugzilla request the other day ;) – Mike.lifeguard | ^talk 14:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And of course people have such interesting ideas on other wikis :) Good to see you "around", cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

See my talk page

There is somthing changed in my talk page. Black Rhino Ranger 10:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)