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Please be advised that it may be unsafe to contact me here. There are periods during which i will not be using this wiki, and therefore i might not see your message in time; however, since i browse the wikipedia much more often, you can resort to writing to me there. But when you do, remember to say that you are talking about Wikibooks. Thank you.

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As requested, I posted in your talk space over at Wikipedia... if you're working in Wikibooks now, this is just to make a notice appear on your screen. Chazz 18:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice to see you back. Add yourself to the Infobox if you plan on being here a while. Chazz is still cranking and we have a new copyeditor as well. I see you fixed the template too which is funny because I'm not super-skilled with templates and noticed the same thing you did. I tried to fix the template but it didn't work for me and so I just took that shortcut. Thanks. -withinfocus 22:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious now: what template did you fix? Chazz 23:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] MG2HP Templates

Why the Beginner spoiler -> Spoiler change? Actually, that's Matt's suggestion: It can be either, but the summary, he felt, would be a spoiler for everyone and not just for beginners, so he suggested that we should use the standard rather than the beginner-specific. In the project Discussion archives:

I would think that the general spoiler template should only be used on plot pages. That keeps its use to only the Books section. Any other sections will be sufficiently flagged using the Beginner and Intermediate spoiler templates. -Matt 14:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I was changing back to Beginner Spoiler pretty religiously as I created chapter summaries for PoA, but after discussion with Matt (which I can't now find, possibly in his Talk history), at his request I started reverting to the standard spoiler template. Chazz 22:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

One of these days I'll learn to read... Yes, it is still valid to use the beginner spoiler everywhere except, apparently, chapter summaries. Not only valid but encouraged. Chazz 22:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, from my talk history, you may see that Matt and I nattered back and forth for a while before we got those frameworks together. You may also see that there are two versions of the Magic framework: I suggested an Extended Description section, and Matt agreed to it, so I have been adding that as I could. So last time you were working with us, those frameworks didn't exist as such. Oh, and welcome back, eh? Chazz 23:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MG2HP timeline

Hmm. I knew I had seen that Oct 31 1981 date somewhere before, but I'm away from my references right now and can't immediately place where. It is mentioned as gospel / canon on a number of fan sites, though. I'll try to track that down and get back to you. Why do you say it doesn't fit very well? What would you see as being a better date? Chazz 23:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Good point... the original does say it was a Tuesday as well, and I agree with you that October 31 in 1981 was a Saturday. Which means possibly that JKR got it wrong, or possibly that the fan sites have leapt to conclusions. There are a lot of calendar errors in the series – ephemeris says that JKR's dates for full moon in PoA are wrong, and even if we hunt for a year when they are right, they don't all match. And there aren't enough of them. Probably the best course is to simply not buy into the fan sites contention that it was 31 October. I'll modify the time line and the chapter summary to eliminate Oct. 31 as the date. Chazz 04:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Damn, you're right... there it is. "All anyone knows is, he turned up in the village where you was all living, on Hallowe'en ten years ago." Hmm... Okay. The authoritative entry on that is thus PS/SS chapter 4, and that's where references should point. I'm pressed for time right now, but I will reinstate that information in the analysis section of PS/SS chapter 1, link it to chapter 4 appropriately, and include the appropriate comments there and in the timeline section. Chazz 18:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Editing done. All I touched was SS/PS chapter 1 analysis; the timeline page didn't need to be changed and has not been changed back. Chazz 23:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the fixes

Jokes Free4Me,

Thanks for the fixes to the Human Physiology wikibook. We made that book as a class last year, and this year's class is going to use the book and improve upon it as much as possible. I start teaching Tuesday and the students and I are pretty excited about this project. If you have any suggestions (general or specific) on ways to improve the book, then we are all ears. Thanks for taking an interest in the book and making it better. Provophys 04:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

And what are "MG's pages"? Therequiembellishere 16:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

O, I feel embarrassed. Therequiembellishere 19:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MG2HP:PoA

A few times, sir, you have modified either Prisoner of Azkaban or Hermione Granger to indicate that Hermione had distracted Lupin-as-werewolf by howling. I honestly don't know where you got that impression; could it have come from the film? One thing that has been impressed on Hermione is that she is not allowed to change the past, to the point that she is absolutely horrified to discover that Harry actually cast the Patronus that saved everyone. If she had already altered the past by distracting Lupin, she would not be so upset that Harry had altered the past by performing the Patronus. In my edition of the book, when they see Lupin changing, the three of them, Harry, Hermione, and Buckbeak, simply retreat swiftly and silently to Hagrid's hut. Chazz (talk) 17:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You are correct; I over-reacted, because I had unmade the same change in about four places and it was coming back again, so I leapt to conclusions. My apologies, my liege. Chazz (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Watchlist

Thank you for the pointer. The problem with any watch list is that it can't pick up new pages added; for that matter, the RecentChangesLinked list will also only show pages that have been added if the editor that added them put them properly into the MG category. Granted, also, the RecentPages categories are limited to recent changes (one month); still, I'm on here often enough that this is not a major concern. I understand that your life forces long "idle periods" on you, and so Recent Changes is likely not appropriate for your situation; but I am somewhat in awe of someone who can handle a 700+ page watch list... Chazz (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm... but the "unvisited blue" color re-appears after a month, so unless you walk your watchlist and turn all 700+ pages of it purple again, each month, you could end up thinking someone has added something to all the project. Which is, I presume, another reason a very massive watch list is hard to manage. Chazz (talk) 08:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Squib

Excuse me for asking, but I don't think I've ever seen a squib referred to as a "Non". Could you point me to a reference? Chazz (talk) 15:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem... I salute you for your ability to work across language lines so very well. Errors will creep in, and I have had my fair share of them... quite apart from the typos. A lot of times, I make a note to check something and then never do, and the note becomes part of the document <wry grin>. Chazz (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
One question has occurred to me – you refer to the fact that the books that you have are a translation, but you haven't ever, to the best of my knowledge, said what language that is. You have got me curious now; could you let me know what language you are using? For some reason I keep thinking Nederlands. Chazz (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muggle's Guide general questions

I saw that you were asking about a permanent link to the Wizard of the Month on JKR's site. In fact, there is no such permanent link as far as I know, any more than there are permanent links to the character birthdays. Apparently those two pages exist only as dynamically generated pages based on month or day. Chazz (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singular possessive

I personally don't like "s's" and haven't seen that purposefully used in the Guide so far. I am surprised that Wikipedia takes the stance that this is explicitly "nonstandard" and I definitely disagree. In my professional experience, even discussing this with English professors, both are allowed and the "s's" creates a dragging "s" sound which is undesirable. We may want to discuss this as a whole to decide a permanent stance, but I'm for the "nonstandard" usage. -withinfocus 22:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

So we agree that we don't like "s's" then? I don't think we have to obey the grammar rules Rowling follows either, especially if she's contradictory at times. -withinfocus 18:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in my American edition of Deathly Hallows there are multiple examples of both ~s's and ~s'. --xixtas talk 15:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I really dislike the "s's" for proper nouns (and so does Chazz I believe) so I'd prefer it if we didn't use them. It's not "the Jones's daughter went to the park" to me but "the Jones' daughter went to the park". Right now Firefox's spell checker is disliking the "s's" as well. I want "Sirius'" and not "Sirius's". -withinfocus 17:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Epilogue

I was being lazy and didn't look it up before, but I do have a book right next to me (although I haven't finished reading it yet and keep screwing myself up by revealing spoilers as I edit here). According to the TOC (and this is the US version) the chapter is called "Epilogue". Perhaps the actual page at the chapter doesn't say that, but I believe it's still the chapter name. -withinfocus 18:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Weird. Maybe once Chazz and PNW Raven reappear we can get a consensus decision. -withinfocus 18:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright, we're both sort of correct in the end but I'm probably less correct. The TOC says just "Epilogue" and a page number. The front page of the chapter says "Epilogue" where the chapter number goes (i.e. "chapter twenty-six"), then there's the typical drawing, then "Nineteen Years Later". Therefore, I figure the book page and page name should be left "Epilogue" and the title in the page text be reverted to your "Nineteen Years Later". Cool? -withinfocus 19:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks good to me. -withinfocus 19:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muggles' guide: map of the school locations

Hiya,

Just to let you know, I am asking for some feedback on the Muggle's Guide, basically on the return of the map of the possible locations of the 3 wizarding schools in Europe (it was deleted from the common). The link [1] describes my thoughts, and opens the discussion.

The main question is: how much speculation can we allow ourselves in this book? Please, leave a comment if you wish to.

Thanks --Lgriot 23:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Good to see you posting again, Jokes. It was getting a bit lonely over at the Muggles' Guide. Chazz (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is still the Todo stuff on the project page. Where we are lacking right now is actually analysis; PNW Raven is doing an incredible job on that, but there's only one of her. She's done analysis and greater picture for DH and is now working on GoF, but all of the others, especially OotP and HBP, are in need as well. I'm currently fleshing out Major Events, and look to give Magic the same treatment next unless someone beats me to it; Places may need some attention as well. So, yeah, still lots to do. Chazz (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chronicles of Narnia

Thank you for looking at those, Jokes. I'm working from a laptop at the moment, and I don't like the keyboard... key travel is too short and the keys tend to jam if I don't hit them just right. So my work is rife with typos.

In case you are wondering, the Chronicles are being put together for ChazzJr, who says he wants to do for Narnia what we've done for Harry Potter. I don't see it as being the sort of thing that attracts as much attention, so anything you care to do with it would be welcome. ChazzJr is not yet 100% with capitalization, also, which is why that is a problem there... but he is young yet, he will learn. Chazz (talk) 16:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back again...

after a six-month absence, it's good to see you editing away again. Chazz (talk) 15:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I always use history; too much can change at once. <grin>
I note your changes to the Index. The problem that you fixed in those two entries is endemic to the entire page and will have to be fixed by something with a regexp handler; it would be too tedious otherwise. I will try to do that today... What happened there is that the rule applied by the bot that turned all our relative links absolute, also broke the display on that one page only. Chazz (talk) 17:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd put the commentary on Why did Harry Not Die on that page's discussion area. That seems the more logical place for it. Apparently the author has put something about that on her web site as well; perhaps we can paraphrase and / or link to that.
I have a quibble with your changes to the Horcrux article, but will deal with it there. That stuff you commented out should be present, for historical reasons if nothing else. Chazz (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

reminder

[edit] Template changes

See User_talk:Chazz#Muggles.27_Guide_to_Harry_Potter for the goal of the template code. Displaytitle puts the title at the top of the page and you only need the title shown in the body when printing because then JavaScript doesn't come into play. -- Adrignola talk contribs 13:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Web 2.0 sites use AJAX, while JavaScript has been around for longer than the use of that terminology. Wikis integrate pictures, too, you know. I'm not going to be limited by people who can't be bothered to use a modern browser. -- Adrignola talk contribs 13:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why you're taking issue with this now. I had this same code on all the Philosopher's Stone chapters since May for a trial run. You couldn't have spoken up about it until after I added the code to every other page under /Books yesterday? If there's a problem, it'd be in Template:Displaytitle. -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I changed the printonly line to show the chapter number, book, and title on both print versions and non-print versions. For those without JavaScript, it shows them the title. For those with, it duplicates the title, unfortunately, but it shows the chapter number and book in case they don't pay attention to the vertical navigation links that are automatically generated by the path. Since the template is not part of PDF versions because of its "exclude in print" category, it won't be creating a redundant line in the PDF output. You should try loading the collection and see what you think of the PDF output too. -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're using Firefox, I've found an add-on, JavaScript Debugger that may be of assistance. I just loaded it myself, but I don't know if I can reproduce the errors you're getting since I never saw them before. -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
The "else" portion of the #ifeq keeps {{TopNav}}, {{Displaytitle}}, and the categories out of the print version page. Otherwise you'd see all the inter-chapter links overlapping each other on the top-right, different pages fighting to set the displayed title, and the custom sort keys for each page conflicting with the sort key in the print version's category. -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
No changes to the template affect the PDF version because the template is in Category:Exclude in print. Code in the "if" portion affects the "Books/___/Print version" page. Code in the "else" portion appears on the page the template is on. However, the "printonly" portion was for situations where someone tried to print that individual page (where the "else" portion was used) and wasn't looking at the "/Print version" page with all chapters combined (where the "if" portion was used). You could also have a "noprint" portion in the "else" for content that should appear on the page but not appear when printing that individual page. The "printonly" was removed in order to show the chapter title regardless of whether one was printing or not, for those without JavaScript support. -- Adrignola talk contribs 15:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Darklama tried to fix it. I have version 8, so please let us know if it works now or not. -- Adrignola talk contribs 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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