Talk:XML - Managing Data Exchange

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We will work on this soon. thank you, Viji

might also want to get rid of that leading space "XML: " - it looks weird and is destined to cause link errors. --IanCarter 00:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)



  1. Should the contents maybe be organized into sections, e.g. Basic Concepts, Advanced Techniques, Real-World Examples?

This is coming real soon

  1. Once I am in a chapter, there is no link to get back to the main book - There should be 'up' link?

there is a link - it is in real small size and it says => back to XML: Managing Data Exchange. If you know how to make it bigger let us know!

Many of the examples in the book use tables to put line numbers to the left of code. The numbers do not line up properly with the lines of code in my browser, however (Mozilla). Might I suggest either leaving off the line numbers or including them inline, like I've done in the SVG chapter? I guess a better situation would be if the wiki software could automatically insert line numbers. I realise that the reason for putting the line numbers in a separate table cell is to avoid them being copied to the clipboard if the code is selected.

I thought one way might be to use an <ol> to automatically number the lines, but it seems that Mozilla will copy the numbers to the clipboard too.

-- Cam
I think it would help a lot if there was some way to have the wiki software format XML. Syntax highlighting and automatic line numbering would really help the readability of these pages. --- Sploo22 12:15, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Goals and audience

I've just popped over here from the Wikipedia XML page. Can someone explain to me:

  • What is the goal, or focus, of this book? Is it basic tutorial? A reference manual? Guidance on advanced techniques?
  • Who is the intended audience? Beginners? Managers trying to get a flavor? Experience XML'ers trying to extend their knowledge?
  • What are the recommended pre-requisites? What knowledge should I have? I noticed a list of recommended software in the Preface.

It's useful to have this sort of information either on the first page, or with an explicit link on the first page.

Thanks.

DanielVonEhren 18:43, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree yeah. Basically the problem is this book has a section /Introduction to XML, but no section called /Introduction. How about it? -- Harry Wood - 10:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] subchapters

I'm a little surprised to find "CSS" and "style sheets" as separate subchapters. IMHO it'd be better to understand when having the tweo subchapters "CSS style sheets" and "XSL style sheets and transformations". BTW why is CSS itself explained (it's not a language defined by XML) instead of the use of CSS within XML? (the "Learning objectives" lists "know how to implement and use CSS on a XML document" but there is mainly CSS for HTML but very few for XML in general) I don't get the point...but maybe there was a discussion earlier :) then please insert the power points into the introduction.

[edit] Naming convention

Current book naming convention is depreciated. I suggest changing it to slash convention. --Derbeth 16:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I second this suggestion. --Kernigh 03:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibooks:Domain-specific languages bookshelf

Hello,

would you please check the Wikibooks:Domain-specific languages bookshelf. There are several books on the whish list for which your book has chapters. Do we need extra books or will the chapters be exhaustive enough once they are finished. If the later is true then please trim the whish list.

Many of the chapters are planned for revision. And will probably be revised in future classes. This cycle of revision will be over in June 2006, let see if they give a better picture then

Thank you.

--Krischik T 07:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] XML versus Programming:XML versus XML: Managing Data Exchange

The following is a chronology posted by Kernigh:

I have decided to again redirect XML to XML: Managing Data Exchange, and to vote to delete Programming:XML. Because I am redirecting Talk:XML here, you can view the posts of 68.61.36.66 and 68.184.159.189 through this permalink. --Kernigh 03:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned pages

I've found Answers (XML) - will you merge it to this book or can it be deleted? Please mark useless pags with {{delete}}. --Derbeth talk 00:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Deletion Candidate

I am confused with a couple of pages I've come across that seem to be related to this Wikibook. All I'm asking for is to have somebody try to explain the rationale for trying to delete these Wikibook modules and to note where the content may have been duplicated or some other editorial reason for trying to delete this stuff. For now, I'm removing the deletion template tags, but if the contributors here would like to remove this content, please make a clear note as to why you feel the content needs to go.

Something simple like: "This is a duplcate of XML: Managing Data Exchange/Introduction to XML" or "obsolete content no longer need for project" is all that I'm looking for. Leaving the reason out nor any discussion on the discussion page about why it needs to be deleted makes it hard for me as an administrator to understand why the content needs to go. Thank you for your work in this part of Wikibooks, however. The pages to review are the following:

--Rob Horning 17:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hi everyone,

Thanks to everyone that is working on this. Great start. I am an instructor and am trying to create a series of free XML learning modules usable in Moodle and I would like to use/reuse as much work as possble.

I teach in the US and many of the organizations use ISO/IEC 11179 date element names (see the WikiPedia entries on ISO/IEC_11179. This uses an UpperCamelCase three part name.

My goal is to start with very simple re-usable teaching structures and build on them. I would also like to add quiz materials in some XML format for Moodle. I am looking into that now.

I put a sample of what I am working on here: XML Schema before I realized that some of the tables were part of your materials. I apologize for the duplication.

Also, please tell me more about yourselves, your background and objectives. Anyone build re-usable learning objects before? Leanrning Objects. I have not done this in the past. Everything was a one-off based on my library of over 3000 PowerPoint slides. It seems very hard to be able to design learning modules that can be re-used by many people.

- Dan User:dmccreary

Hi Dan !

Thanks for your interest! You have just stumbled upon a work in progress and you will probably see many changes in the coming months. We are students at the University of Georgia in the Management Information Systems department. This XML wikibook is a class project. We are learning, teaching, and revising together. Dr. Watson is our teacher and I am a member of the Editorial Board. Things are just getting started and may appear a bit messy, but we are working on organizing and cleaning up the book. Feel free to give us suggestions (we saw your post in the one to one relationship chapter). It is nice to have outside eyes. Also, you can just email me at viji@uga.edu

Thanks, Viji

[edit] Neat professional book

Good job. But dont forget the PDF Version when you have finished. See Wikibooks:PDF Versions. I have started a Print Version template to get you started. RobinH 20:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input!

Rtw 18:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the pdf

[edit] Warning

I am going to remove Image:Tree.PNG, Image:TreeBranch.PNG and perhaps other images without license information used in this book. I tried to contact the uploader of these images but did not get any answer. --Derbeth talk 08:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphans

These pages are not linked to from anywhere in this book. Please either incorporate them into the text or mark them for deletion by typing {{delete|Reason for deltion}} on each page.

Thanks! --hagindaz 22:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idea

I haven't seen a chapter about in-line documentation in programming like C#. There is a recommendation for tags to be used in such comments:

<c>
<code>
<example>
<exception>
<include>
<list>
<para>
<param>
<paramref>
<permission>
<summary>
<returns>
<see>
<seealso>
<summary>
<value>
<typeparam>
<typeparamref>

It might we worth mention if it hasn't been already. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson 02:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PDF request!

Hi Folks,

Can i please ask for a PDF version of this XML manual? Thanks

Ditto -- Sj (talk) 02:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree - a PDF would be very handy! -- MHCABI (talk) 22:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Document Type Definitions

I think we should add a chapter on DOcument Type Definitons. While XML Shemas can be usful in certatin contexts, DTDs sould be mentioned I will add a chapter right after Data Schemas If there are any objections please say so Wolframalpha (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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