Talk:Learning the vi editor/Vim/Tips and Tricks

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Contents 1 Merge Proposal 2 Vim Tips Conversion Project

[edit] Merge Proposal

Learning the vi editor/Vim is now 44 kB and need to be split into chapters. Having seen the Vim Tipbook I suggest we join forces and create Learning the Vim editor or Using Vim (name open for discussion).

--Krischik ^T 06:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't like the change from its original Vim-only focus. Vi is another text editor, this was originally intended to help Vim users.

--Digitect 12:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The Vim chapters are more the 50% of the Vi book now and so one could consider to move them out into there own book. It woulds still be possible to share text via templates and transclusion to prevent dupplication of work.

Or one can turn the book complety into a Vim book as the Busy-box and Vile chapters are just stubs and the vi chapters are more or less static. --Krischik ^T 08:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I missed that this has been included in a larger work. In any case, I find the colors and extended references confusing and unnecessary. This was supposed to be an easy-to-read page for beginners but these complexities are for a different audience.

--Digitect 00:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vim Tips Conversion Project

I just posted the following message to the vim mailing list:

VimTips: New Wiki Direction

Here's my view of "where we are" regarding the Vim Tips wiki conversion
project:

1. The Google wiki seems to be a poor option due to the difficulty
   involved in registering.
2. Multiple other wiki engines have been discussed, and the clear
   favorite seems to be a site built on top of the Mediawiki
   application.
3. Of all of the sites that offer free wiki hosting using Mediawiki,
   Wikibooks seems to be the most favored.

Note: These are all my opinions based on what I've read.  I hope to hear
from everyone that has a different perspective :)

Ok, so based on my version of reality, I think that we should proceed
with the following actions:

0. I'll create the following page on the Vim Tips chapter of the Vim
book on Wikibooks (whew!):
    * http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor/Vim/TipsSandbox
1. All of the people who wrote tip conversion scripts before should
   update them so that the output format is "Wikipedia markup", not
   "Google markup"
    * I apologize to the script writers for making them do more work.
      Hopefully, the necessary changes to your scripts will be small.
    * Also, please note that I _don't_ think that anyone should
      contribute a new script to this effort.  We already have three
      very capable scripts that can probably get the job done very well,
      so I don't think that the effort would be worthwhile for anyone
      else.
2. Convert one tip and post the output on the TipsSandbox page listed
   above.
3. The vim community will come to a consensus on the best format for the
   tips, and we will use the best script for the job.
4. Consensus achieved!!!
5. We will automate the task of converting all of the tips.
6. A group of wiki superusers will inspect 50 random tips and make sure
   that they look good.
7. The invisible hand of The Wiki will then gradually make our wonderful
   collection of Vim tips even more awesome than they've ever been
   before! ;D

So, what do you guys think?

Tom Purl

I'm sorry that I didn't first consult Krischik, but based upon previous messages that he posted to the mailing list, it looked like he was in favor or hosting all of the tips in this book. If not, then it's certainly not too late to change that direction.

I look forward to any comments or concerns. -- Tompurl 16:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)