Talk:First Aid/Archive 1

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Contents

I welcome thoughtful contributions to this Wikibook. I hope that with significant development it can be someday used as a public domain textbook on first aid worldwide. This will necessarily include military considerations such as NBC warfare and blast injuries (i.e. land mines).

That said, it is VITAL to avoid using copyrighted training mnemonics such as the American Red Cross "Check, Call, Care." The American Red Cross has invested considerable effort in developing its curricula and defending it from imitators, as have other agencies.

If you feel it necessary to attempt a wholesale revision -- or if you spot what you feel to be a serious error -- please use the Talk page as a resource. First aid is taught differently by different organizations and in different countries. Public domain sources for authoritative first aid information are listed in the bibliography section; some of these "authorities" have significant biases.

Thank you for your contribution and I look forward to working with you. clarka 7 April 2004

Hey, good work so far on the First Aid book. May I suggest renaming the titles of the chapters? They don't look very pretty when viewing.

Venomous animals

I changed the section 'Snakes, Insects and Injected Venom' to 'Venomous Animals', since there are a lot of other things that bite and sting out there (have added some headings in need of text). But then I couldn't figure out how to propagate this change to the ToC... what did I miss?

Have added some subheadings (with an Australian bias...) Rather than splitting animals according to mode of delivery (skin vs bite, etc) I would suggest keeping them all in one 'Venomous Animals' category; the former might be appropriate for a toxicologist, but IMHOthe latter is more intuitive to a first-aider.

Request for Cooperation

Hello there! I just started a Portal-Page for First Aid in the German Wikipedia. I would like to suggest that we should cooperate by interchanging ideas andresources: text would have to be translated, obviously, but images should be no problem (we have but a few, yet). Here is the Portal, and here ist the corresponding the WikiProject managing the Portal. If you speak german and would like to contribute, please do! If you have questions or need translations, just ask on the talk page of the WikiProject, people there spreak english. Greets, -- D. Düsentrieb @ the German Wikipedia, 2004/07/27 01:59 CEST.

Trying to help

Greetings ! I am quite dedicated to first aid at my level (not professional, but trained for CPR, oxygen and defibrillation, been doing some nasty stuff and provided high-mountain paramedical support for sport events), so I'd like to help to the extend of my possibilities. Three little things :

  1. There is nothing about the Recovery position ?
  2. I've added a "D-Defibrillation" part to the "Basic life support" chapter. It's not really basic support, but the "D" comes naturally after the "ABC"... (not only in the alphabet, that is). That'y not really basic first aid, but some people might get a defibrillator in some public places, so... I hope you don't mind.
  3. I've made some illustrations about some of the maneuvers or situations. If you think that there is a need for a perticular schema, you can try and leave me a note on my talk page on en.wikipedia ([1])

One last thing : do we want an unified style for special notes, like small notes, warning of a potentially lethal error for the patient, a dangerous error, danger to the rescuer, tips, etc ?

That sounds like a great idea! Sort of a caution icon for "pay attention to this" or a danger icon for "doing this could kill your victim" I'm certainly not capable of doing it, but if you want to, by all means, we can use it. Mike.lifeguard 16:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Found these randomly; suggestions for which icons should mean what?
Nuvola apps browser.png Region-specific note here
Nuvola apps clock.png Time interval, or "act quickly on this"
Nuvola apps cache.png ??
Nuvola filesystems services.png Good thing to do
Nuvola apps core.png Very bad thing to do
Nuvola apps error.png Somewhat bad thing to do
Nuvola apps important yellow.svg Pay careful attention to this
Nuvola apps important.png Use caution
Mike.lifeguard 23:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


How's this for meanings?

– Mike.lifeguard | talk 02:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Those are a lot better. It cuts down on some of them so the readers don't have to try to figure out what 8 symbols are. Good job finding them! Mike6271 02:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Implementation for the templates is here; all further discussion can take place here – Mike.lifeguard | talk 03:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

External Links

Thank you very much for this wikibook which I find extremely nice and positive ! Rama 15:31, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

First Aid/Appendix C: Sources was created, and these sources were included in it. Mike.lifeguard 18:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

A chapter for non-life-threatening things?

I saw this in the transwiki log: First Aid:Tick removal. Can someone please integrate it? Thanks --Snargle 16:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Unhappily done. Although it did give me an excuse to create an advanced topics chapter and move some stuff. Mike.lifeguard 17:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

CPR summary

By request, you now have First Aid/CPR summary. Uncle G 18:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

CPR change

Wow, some unknown user changed my "when to stop" to the person makes you stop. How do we avoid people writing nonsense, like, I have trouble detecting changes from the change list. Anyway, I moved this content over as per discussion on the wikipedia cpr page. 70.26.230.177 15:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Changes in CPR

Some of the material was outdated or incomplete, so I took the liberty to update some of the material to the new American Heart Association 2005 guidelines. It is important that someone using other CPR guidelines from other organizations put there input, or list the variations that each organization has.
I added the proper usage of an AED unit in D is for Defibrillation. I just need some references as most of the edits were from memory. Hey, I'm a BLS instructor, what do you expect?

Copy and paste work

I've moved much of the content so that it is now organized. At this point, we can start focusing on each chapter and make the book expand! 142.103.92.173 22:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused

I would like to help out with this wikibook but I'm complete lost at where to start since the guide seems really messy as if it's been just thrown together.

For example:

  • Introduction is really what is first aid.
  • Emergency First Aid and Initial Action Steps is basicly DR ABCD which is Basic Life Support.
  • Chapter 7 (Bones, Joints, and Muscles), you treat a inmoveable factured arm differently to a closed factured pevis to an open factured leg to a simple sprain.
  • Burns are classed as Environmental Injuries.
  • Where would...go?
    • recovery postion
    • heart attacks
    • stokes
    • asthma
    • panic attacks
    • concussion & compression (of brain)
    • siezures
    • SAMPLE - Signs/Sympothems, Allegies, (Current) Medication, Past history, Last Meal. All these information should be gathered and passed onto (if requied. e.g when paramedics arrive).
    • basic casualty report forms
    • etc. There's lots more I could list here.
  • Routine First Aid range from nosebleeds to fevers to toothache, travel sickness.

For chapter 11, 12, 13 and possibly 14, I can't comment on since my training doesn't cover those areas. I would love to help out but I don't know where or how to start. Can someone point me where I should help out?

Thanks

Only1NIG1 20:43, 10 December 2006

What is this page supposed to be?

Is this page supposed to be the front cover of the book? Or is it a page to organize the project? Regardless, there probably shouldn't be random blurbs of content on it. Mike.lifeguard 21:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed! This is now a table of contents-type thing, with disclaimers further down. Makes at least some sense to me. Mike.lifeguard 00:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

New organization etc.

I made a new table of contents with some (I think) better organization of content. I added sections that were missing, and removed extraneous sections. All the links on that page go to another copy of the page - it doesn't link to anything in the book. What do people think? Mike.lifeguard 18:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Rearranged basically everything, with a suitable navigation system on every page using templates(!) Hope I haven't missed anything, and it works well. Mike.lifeguard 23:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What still needs work?

Look here for what work needs to be done. Mike.lifeguard 18:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Bibliography from previous incarnation

This was the bibliography from the first attempt at a first aid wikibook:

Mike.lifeguard 06:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

First Aid/Appendix C: Sources was created, and these sources were included in it. Mike.lifeguard 18:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Tick removal

C&P from First Aid/Tick removal. It will be integrated into this WB until it finds a more suitable home in an advanced/wilderness FA text.

If a tick is found attached to the body, seek assistance from medical authorities for proper removal, or follow these guidelines.

  1. Grasp the tick's mouthparts against the skin, using pointed tweezers or designated tick-removal tool. Conventional flat headed tweezers are not ideal for the task because it is difficult to avoid grabbing too much of the tick's body. You want to grab the tick as close to the skin as possible without squeezing the body.
  2. Pull back slowly and steadily with firm tension.
  3. Pull in the reverse of the direction in which the mouthparts are inserted, as you would for a splinter.
  4. BE PATIENT: The long, central mouthpart (called the hypostome) is inserted in the skin. It is covered with sharp barbs, sometimes making removal difficult and time consuming (see Figure 3, inset).
  5. Most hard ticks secrete a cement-like substance during feeding. This material helps secure their mouthparts firmly in the flesh and adds to the difficulty of removal.
  6. It is important to continue to pull steadily until the tick can be eased out of the skin (see Figure 3).
  7. DO NOT pull back abruptly, as this may tear the mouthparts from the body of the tick, leaving them embedded in the skin. If this happens, do not panic. Embedded mouthparts are comparable to having a splinter in your skin. However, to prevent the chance of secondary infection, it is best to remove them. Seek medical assistance if necessary.
  8. DO NOT squeeze or crush the body of the tick because this may force infective body fluids through the mouthparts and into the wound.
  9. DO NOT apply substances such as petroleum jelly, finger nail polish, finger nail polish remover, repellents, pesticides, or a lighted match to the tick while it is attached. These materials are either ineffective, or worse, might agitate the tick and cause it to salivate or regurgitate infective fluid into the wound site.
  10. If, and only if, tweezers are not available, grasp the ticks' mouthparts between your fingernails and remove the tick carefully by hand being sure not to squeeze the body of the tick. Be sure to wash your hands and under your fingernails to prevent possible contamination by infective material from the tick.
  11. Following removal of the tick, wash the wound (and your hands) with soap and water, and apply an antiseptic.
  12. Save the tick in a jar, vial, small plastic bag, or other container for identification should you later develop disease symptoms. Preserve the tick by either adding some alcohol to the jar or by keeping it in the freezer. Storing a tick in water will not preserve it. Identification of the tick may help the physician make diagnostic and treatment decisions as many tick-borne diseases are transmitted only by certain species.
  13. Discard the tick after one month, as all known tick-borne diseases will generally cause symptoms within this time period.

Mike.lifeguard 02:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Done! Mike.lifeguard 18:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice job ML, keep up the good work. Mattb112885 (talk) 19:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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