Talk:False Friends of the Slavist/Bulgarian

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[edit] Proofreading Center

Some things still have to be done by speakers of Bulgarian. Please leave a note about what you are doing or have done in the following list of tasks.

[edit] Monolingual page

The monolingual page has to be proof-read by someone who knows Bulgarian well; please correct the mistakes you find and make a list of your corrections here, so that other people can use your list to correct the bilingual pages. While doing this, look if someone else has already listed mistakes they spotted on this talk page.

[edit] Bilingual pages

The bilingual pages should be proof-read after the monolingual page is corrected, so that the mistakes spotted there can already be used. Please have a look at the talk pages of the bilingual pages, too, to see if someone else has already made comments about mistakes there.

[edit] Maps

Someone should look through the semasiological maps of those words where there have been mistakes in the monolingual page and adapt them.

[edit] Translations needed

All done. Barbov 14:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some mistakes

Editing such a page seems beyond me. I will try it when I have more time. Some mistakes I,ve spotted.

Have a look at the page now. I have found a way to replace all these scaring Ӓᘮ… sequences with normal Cyrillic letters, so that the structure of the page as it is shown in the edit window that opens when you click at "edit this page" should now be much easier to understand. Also, have a look at the respective map pages, they are indeed very easy to modify. --Daniel Bunčić 16:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
And now I have even sorted the pages alphabetically, so that it should be easy to find the mistakes you spotted on the page itself in the edit window and change them. --Daniel Bunčić 11:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Словенски has an archaic meaning of Slavonic (=славянски).
  • There is a word цветен in Bulgarian meaning coloured, of colour and flower (attr.) as in цветно стъкло - stained glass, цветен филм - colour film, цветен прашец - pollen, цветна градина - a flower garden.
  • There is a word червен in Bulgarian meaning red (црвен in Macedonan and Serbian).
  • There is a word студен meaning cold.
  • There is a Bulgarian word руен meaning sparkling for wine руйно вино or profuse for sweating or tears - руйна пот, руйни сълзи.
  • There is a Bulgarian word тревен meaning of the grass - тревна площ, grass lawn.
  • The BG meaning "able, clever" of вреден is so archaic (I found it in a 12 volume dictionary) that I've never heard anyone using it. To me it is a complete false friend.
  • There is a word паметник in Macedonian and in Serbian (rare I think) meaning monument.
  • Gym sirt in Bulgarian is потник and not кошуля.
  • There is a word булка in Macedonian meaning bride, youg woman and some kind of a herb.
  • Вещ in Bulgarian means clever as in Serbian, Macedonian and so on.
  • There is a Bg word диван with the meaning of settee, sofa.
  • Гора means forest in Macedonian as in Bulgarian.
  • There is a Bulgarian word овошки (singular овошка) meaning fruit tree.
  • There is a Bg word покои (pl of покой) meaning room. The singular means only quiet.
  • Неделя has an archaic meaning of week.
  • There is a Bg word мрак meaning darkness.
  • There is no Serbian or Macedonian word like прозвище.
  • Маса in Bg means ONLY table. The word for mass is меса.
  • There is a Bg word сливки, diminitive of сливи - plums.
  • Искуство in Macedonian means skill.
  • Доба in Macedonian means time, era.
  • Памет in Macedonian means reason, intellect and memory.
  • Крик means cry, shout in Macedonian.
  • Среда means middle and envirinment and Wednesday in Macedonian.
  • Мед means honey in Macedonian.
  • The Macedonian исход has all the meanings of the Bulgarian изход.
  • The meaning spring-suspension of федерация which is obviously federation really puzzles me. I've never heard of it (nor of spring-suspensions).
  • Палец means thumb in Macedonian.
  • Бор in Macedonian means pine-tree and boron.
  • Говор means dialect and speech in Macedonian.
  • There is a Bulgarian word карпуз meaning water mellon.
  • Вещ in Bg means able as in Serbian and Macedonian (вешт).
  • Зрно in Serbian and Macedonian means corn, grain as зърно in BG.
  • Трудна in Macedonian means hard and pregnant.
  • Жито means wheat in Macedonian.
  • Чувати means keep in Serbian. Чувам means keep in Macedonian.
  • Ковчег means only coffin and Arch in BG. --Miko Stavrev 09:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title in Bulgarian (transferred from main talk)

In Bulgarian I would rather say лъжливи приятели (as in Serbian and Croatian) and not неверни приятели but still I'm not a Slvavist and I'm not familiar with the term in Bulgarian. --217.75.156.62

I have taken this title from the book Неверните приятели на преводача: Речник by Ренета Килева-Стаменова and Емилия Денчева (Пловдив 1997) so I thought this was probably idiomatic. --Daniel Bunčić 20:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Obviously it is. Miko Stavrev 07:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some mistakes concerning bulgarian and russian only

Here are some mistakes i noticed and am quite sure about:

  • The 'able, clever' meaning of вреден in bulgarian is far too archaic to be relevant. Never heard of it anyway.
  • The 'life' meaning of живот in russian is very archaic. Used probably only in Old Church Slavonic context and/or religious services.
  • зърно in bulgarian is not translated as 'berry' into russian. Beside its main meaning, it means only 'a single grape' in bulgarian.
  • The word изход does not mean 'result' in bulgarian under any circumstances.
    - Wrong. Take "Изходът от футболния мач предстои да бъде решен.", for example. Here, the word изход has the meaning of "result".

-The meaning of the word "изход" actually means "outcome" in the context above and while in english outcome and result have similar meaning it is much more proper to use outcome in the translation of the context above, as result should be reserved for "резултат"--- mmatinov87@gmail.com(please sign your comments)

  • майка in russian can be translated into bulgarian either as тениска ('t-shirt') or потник ('gym-shirt'). The 'shirt' translation is archaic and certainly not the only one possible.
  • There is a clear difference between покой (sg, means 'quiet, peace' in both bulgarian and russian) and покои (only pl. [as 'trousers'], means 'room', with a medieval/royal connotation both in bulgarian and russian). покой, however, does not mean 'room' in either language.
  • чувам means 'to keep' only in serbian or macedonian, never in bulgarian.
  • the entry for маса is correct. Miko Stavrev was undoubtedly confused by the english meaning of 'mass' 1.physical mass 2.catholic mass.
  • федерация in bulgarian means primarily 'federation'. the 'spring-suspension' meaning comes from german Federung, but in bulgarian is now either only used in car mechanic slang or is very old.
  • ковчег has definitely been used as ‘trunk, box, chest’, but is now archaic. The diminutive ковчеже is a common word in fairy tales.

Barbov 15:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two small additions

  • R. стая -> Bg. глутница 'horde, swarm'

Bg. стая -> R. комната 'room'

  • R. команда -> Bg. 1.отбор 'team' 2.команда, заповед 'order'

Bg. команда -> R. команда 'order' Barbov 13:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three additions

  • R. сума (archaic) -> Bg. торба 'bag, sack'

Bg. сума -> R. сумма 'sum'

  • R. изба -> Bg. къща 'village house'

Bg. изба -> R. погреб, чулан 'cellar'

  • R. трус -> Bg. страхливец 'coward'

Bg. трус -> R. подземный толчок 'tremor'

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