Talk:European History/Contents

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I threw some crap in a few of the 'descriptions' spaces just to see what it looks like. I'm envisioning eventually a couple-sentence synopsis for each chapter. ~ Booya 22:19, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well European History does not begin right after Rome and the replacement of the capital from Constantine I. It has also the Roman history and the ancient Greek. It is well known that if there were not the Romans who had adopted much of the Greek culture, many things would have been defferent. Greeks gave not onlt Olympics and Democrasy or... ¨souvlaki" and ¨mousaka¨.

They gave alphabet ( even if some people would say that Greeks took it from Phoeniceans, which I agree, the Latin alphabet, is a derivation of the Greek alphabet from the island of Euboia or Chalkis, which had a colony where the old Etruscan tribes were, and lent the alphabet ), they gave philosophy, laws, currency. The first currency ever built in Europe, was made in Aegina island.What is European Union without Euro? ;-) without laws? And where did Europeans found laws? From Romans? And Romans from who? Architecture? The brilliant architects that are jewells to most of the modern european cities (not to mention the US too ) is based on what? Rennesance? What is Rennesenance according to history books? A ¨play-back¨ of the ancient clasicism? or something else? Is not Renessenance a blick to the clasicism of the 5th BC in Athens or the Hellenistic period? How many sculptures exist in European museums? (Elginean? Nice? e.t.c. )

But. Even if you want to erase all those 2000 years of history ( the least! ) and you refer to Constantine...then why you give so few lines about Byzantium? An empire that lasted 1400 years more than any other known empire ( except perhaps China, which is not European, is it? ), does not this empire worth some more enlightenment?

Byzantium was the most powerful empire, kept its faith and through the language carried out the Message of God. Message or not. God or no God, Byzantium kept away some ¨good¨ people who wanted to go into European territory long time ago. Names I will not say.But I think the ¨croissant¨ that all we love to eat, and we think of it as French, was not made by Austrian bakers? After the defeat of the enemy barbarians outside Vienna around I think 1600? ... Right after the fall of Constantinople in 1453? Some would say 150 years later? Yeah perhaps it is 150 years and it is not so big issue, as those times a human had to go from one place to another with oxes and horses...not Ferraris! But then again, it was so big the time gap, as teh Barbarians had to go through the Balkan peninsula, which except Greeks, had Serbs, Slavic nations, and other nations Christian for the most of them who didnot want them. Not to mention the aid from the Rus. The Rus who became Christian by Kirillos and Methodios (from Byzantium) and helped the Balkans with the revolts. In the end, the Dark Ages became darker when Constantinople fell, and many people extragerated from happyness when outside Vienna the European armies remained the victors. Not the victims. The victims were the Byzantines who were left alone from the Latin kings and Latin Popes, to get slaughtered for many reasons which I wish not to say or discuss at that time.

I beg because I believe, that this wikipedia, is a very prosperous, very good tool for the humankind. It would be shame to keep forget things because we want to forget them. Is there a history profesor who could make some corrections to this wonderfull piece of European History? I believe it is half-made yet...

Thank you very much. Dimitris.

I believe there still must be some limitations on any project, anything prior to Rome is simply beyond the scope of this project. I would concur that it would be a tragedy to forget about such ancient history, and I would love to see it recorded in other documents, but not necessarily in this particular text. Such a holistic view is generally presented in World History texts, whose aim is to reach all aspects of history.

I'm not any sort of history expert and I scarcely know of the ancient empires to which you refer, however, so I am not able to fully debate on that subject. ~ Booya 04:49, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It would be good to include Greek and Roman Empires, my AP European History book dedicated a few chapters to their history.

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This book, while impressive for beign free and such, is at best an elementary level, and concentrates on history of Western Europe, and as such titling it "European History" is misleading. For example, Polish history is completly ignored, with Poland being mentioned in 3 chapters (ironically, the first mention is the erasure of Poland from maps in 1795...than it is mentioned during 19th century revolutions, of course during WWII and when joining EU). One would think that a country occupying 10% of Europe and with 10% of European population (higher in some historical periods) would be mentioned a little more often... Similar rough treatment is given to Balkan states, Baltic states, Russia... Tons of missing ilinks to Wikipedia's articles about mentioned events, few illustrations... Wikipedia article on history of Europe is much better.--Piotrus 21:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree with this content. Having lived in Poland I see that it's often left out of such discussions. Remember though that it's only 10% of the EU population and not of the European population yet this doesn't justify such a lack of coverage. I guess the reason for this is that this book must rely on sources, like everything on WB, and most historical material available also seems to widely ignore Poland. I'd also agree regarding the Balkans (close to where I live now). I'm watching this book so if I have time in future I'll try to address some of these problems but time is short. Xania ^talk 21:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think this book is organized very clearly and laid out in a fashion that a typical text book would good work to all who spent time creating this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.218.13.116 (talk • contribs) .

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