Talk:Chess/Variants/Random Opening Chess

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This seems like primary research to me, which as a general rule we don't allow. See Wikibooks:About for details. - Aya T E C 19:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • micartouse wrote: Actually I like your variation better than FRC because it doesn't require a random number generator, so two people with a board are ready to go. The strategy begins right away. It would be horrendously difficult and require a lot of creativity and lateral thinking. Nice job, I'll probably try it with a friend if you don't mind; I'd be curious to see if it has any serious flaws.
  • pablo wrote: great! i think this is just the right thing for me!
  • Michael wrote: This is good news! I will try this variant ASAP, I'll report you about games and results!

Everyone here come help me out in developing the Chess wikibook! I just found it and it is in need of some ICU treatment.

Note: If you care to check the history, this section was not added by me, but by Popski, who copied the following text from a note I left on his talk page. - Aya T E C 19:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete - As per Wikibooks:Deletion policy - Aya T E C 19:36, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay. I'm prepared to change my mind about this, if it gets moved to a subpage of Chess somewhere, but we really need to re-word our 'primary research' policy, since it does clash with that in the sense of "coining new words" i.e. the word "NeoRandom". This is a tricky one to write. - Aya T E C 01:55, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - This needs to be made into a sub-page of a Chess Wikibook, and as a chess variant at that. While terms like "invented" perhaps seem to indicate something new, if this were something like Monopoly or more like Dungeons and Dragons it would hardly even deserve a footnote. I propose that it be moved to a sub-page of Chess, with perhaps an entire section devoted to Chess variants. See also w:Chess for more information about Chess variants including the Gygax "Dragon Chess". (Yes, it is *that* Gygax (, E. Gary) who did a very interesting chess variant still talked about in chess circles.) Another Wikipedia article is also w:Chess variant --Rob Horning 20:59, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - Sounds more like someone thinking out loud than a helpful Wikibook. ErikG 18:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • comment - It's fine if it's part of the Chess book, but as it stands it doesn't look like there's room for it to grow into a full book. If the coining of new terms is removed and the grammar is massaged into something more idiomatic it could be a fine and interesting contribution to the Chess book. MShonle 06:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep- AVSN@AOL.COM 'massaged' the english on this page and it now sounds a whole lot better. I really like the idea of moving this to the chess variants catagory. AVSN 0453-8/23/2.005
  • Keep I agree, tough, with the idea of moving this to the chess variants catagory. [User:Doidimais_Brasil|Doidimais Brasil].
  • Moved I have moved the page to Chess/Variants/Random Opening Chess and created a simple page from the main Chess Wikibook that acts as a link to other variants of chess. It does need to be cleaned up quite a bit, but that is a seperate discussion that should take place on the discussion page of this Wikibook. I'm keeping the redirect link for now in part because of external linking that the author apparently has done. If there are no more objections or comments, I'll consider this VfD discussion closed and will be moved to the archive in about a week. --Rob Horning 00:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Wrong - It's wrong to delete it because of invented name. Than is also something wrong with the name Wikipedia. Isn't it? Ok, I understand that Wikipedia needs facts. But WikiBooks? Well, than you have to delete also book of Jokes, there I also invented a lot of jokes, but sadly for deleters, I didn't invent only jokes :) No SF either? Wrong! Let's invent option that someday WikiBooks get MetaUser Arthur C. Clarke and he start a brand new, never ever seen WikiBook with a Title: MetaMonolith. You will delete it. Wrong. Oh, 'primary research' policy, btw, I invented NeoRandom Chess on my home installed MediaWiki, not here.--Popski 18:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of VfD Status

I'm removing the VfD Status for this Wikibook, and I'm also changing the name and placing it as a sub-page to the more general Chess Wikibook under Variants. A more standardized format for discussing chess variants could be developed, but at least this gives this module some more life than simply getting deleted. See the VfD discussion for more details, and this shouldn't be renominiated except to kill the whole Chess Wikibook (very unlikely at all). --Rob Horning 00:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] name

Why is this called "Random Opening" Chess? The starting position (which I assume is what "opening" refers to here) is not random in any way. It's chosen by the players, and they get to think and use strategy while they choose it. It's in no way "random".


[edit] Fischer Random Chess

Fischer came up with the idea not so that humans can be computers, but because at the master level of play more and more moves are being memorized and whoever is winning in the beginning is contested by memory of openings, and at the master level slight advantages go a long way

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